Posts by D8TA

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Beards, can someone explain?

by Satans little helper in

jw
friends

can someone give me a sensible explaination as to why the jw's have banned beards?

i was df'd in '90 just as this was becoming a big deal and at the time i thought it was completely rediculous what with jesus probably having a beard.

it was one of the many things that led me to seeing that the gb make arbitrary rules and that the organisation has more to do with control than religion.

D8TA

If Jesus jumped off a cliff, would you also do it?

No, but I´ve always wanted to try that whole ¨getting nailed to a cross¨ thing.

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Patriot Act ABUSE reported by FoxNews

by D8TA in

eat crow.

so it begins like i said and warned:

here, from foxnews so people who decide to stick their head in the sand and feign ignorance can have their "legitamate news source":

D8TA

Investigations in to strip clubs may turn off some people sooooo (I always set things up, see people's "true colors") here some more (today news is busy with patriot act abuse):

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001798879_fbi23.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001798854_security23.html

This thread is yet another thread in refrence to one I posted on 08-Feb-03 20:42 found here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/46373/1.ashx

Feb 8, 2003

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Patriot Act ABUSE reported by FoxNews

by D8TA in

eat crow.

so it begins like i said and warned:

here, from foxnews so people who decide to stick their head in the sand and feign ignorance can have their "legitamate news source":

D8TA

Eat crow. So it begins like I said and warned:

Here, from FOXNEWS so people who decide to stick their head in the sand and feign ignorance can have their "legitamate news source":

http://www.foxnews.com.edgesuite.net/story/0,2933,103812,00.html

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Truth, Justice, and the American Way

by D8TA in

ah yes, the ?truth?

?and not by the standards of one publishing company in which we all here share something in common with.

as i?ve sat silently for months, browsing this board on occasion, and i still can?t believe there are people here who blind themselves with ?patriotism?

D8TA

YES! Now we are on track! Now, MOST of us, sttill a few stragglers. * cough Stacy Smith cough Black Sheep *

THIS is what is important. The INFORMATION presented and debated, not the presentation and person.

This process is what brings about change. My faith wth the people of this board has been restored. Perhaps it's because most of the long time posters have gotten the "hang" of me.

Is it really the issue with me? Not really. It's the education.

For the "newbies" and/or "rookies", be what the "new people are these days"....I post to provoke. Nothing more. I'm a "humanist". I believe that there is no "right or wrong"..."evil vs. good" way. No, I'm not a "conservative" nor a "liberal". I am D8TA, the "free thinker".

My goal is for people to "educate" themselves in current world events, and quit relying on the opinions of government P.R.'s and commercial news media outlets.

I'm a boat rocker. Nothing more. For with D8TA? This a normal course of our human nature. This is what we are. Groups of people fighting for resources (natural or economic) over other "tribes". It's been what we've been doing since the dawn of humanity. Sort of like nature with entropy. Systems build up, and they break down.

We are different from the natural world though. We are humanity and we have the ability to change this pattern. The U.S.? China? Be what country is the "big guy" on the block....contributes something to the betterment of the human race. And by that I mean, unifying ourselves beyond the borders drawn on maps...or by language....cultural difference.

We have very few frontiers left, and to go beyond and find new frontiers will take the efforts of all here on this planet.

It's debate and dialogue, agreement and disagreement, point & counterpoint that makes we humans grow and understand for a future that insures our survival. Without this causality, we are stagnant and motionless...never growing. Without conflict, we never progress...but there is that chance where we progress to a point where confilinct (construction vs. destruction etc.) will not exist. This is what humanity has as an advantage vs. the natural world.

Some may get what I'm saying here, some may not.

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Truth, Justice, and the American Way

by D8TA in

ah yes, the ?truth?

?and not by the standards of one publishing company in which we all here share something in common with.

as i?ve sat silently for months, browsing this board on occasion, and i still can?t believe there are people here who blind themselves with ?patriotism?

D8TA

This....this is what cracks me up.

Please, someone...anyone...point as to where I defined: Right, Left, Conservative, Liberal.

Oh wait, you mean to tell me a person...any person...who expresses discontent with the U.S. foreign/global policies is a ....LIBERAL????

How about this? Please point out which administration I used as an example? How about a party?

Oh oh. My my.

Looks like some people here went ahead and did EXACTLY what I first pointed to in the first post. And did not read my two posts entirely.

Hate my typing and writing style don't ya? Get's under your skin doesn't it?

When Cyrano De Bergerac was accused of being an "arrogant" man, I repeat his response:"Now you notice"?

Stacy Smith & Black Sheep. Be you ALIENS from outer space who support the grand collective dictatorship of Ru-Mah-Mah, I thank you.

You are doing a dandy fine job as proving my point as to this topic...and I being correct.

BTW...did you 2 actually read the links I provided to George Washington U? Can you please tell me, what side of the "political spectrum" George W. U. leans to? Can you also tell me, with the list of expoitation done by the United States for the past few DECADES, that these subjects are supported by what documents? The resources? Who is responsible for the information in which these reports are based?

In fact, do you know what is being discussed here?

Now, if you have a problem with the way I present my material...I can accept that. No problem.

But responses such as:

In response to your agressive comments, It is you who are sounding closed minded and ridiculous. Not all the unbelievealbe numbers of crazy conservatives you have created who are supposedly shouting "America right or wrong," and who are chanting "Truth, Justice and the American Way."
It is you who sound more hung up on the fallacies promoted in the "truth"...namely, categorizing and judging people, inventing ridiculous cariacatures (some concervative devil) who are woefully demonic, ignorant or worse.

Then don't let the thread's door hit you in the bunda on way out.

As for Stacy Smith? You started your usual; hijack of trying to instigate a argument, and not sticking to the subject, and not responding to my challenge as to any input that is direct to my posts.

* sings Alanis Morisette's "Thank You" song as walking off in to the sunset *

(should I just post this stuff in Portuguese?)

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Truth, Justice, and the American Way

by D8TA in

ah yes, the ?truth?

?and not by the standards of one publishing company in which we all here share something in common with.

as i?ve sat silently for months, browsing this board on occasion, and i still can?t believe there are people here who blind themselves with ?patriotism?

D8TA

Stacy Smith typed (and what a surprise):

same ol same ol
some things will never change here.

As in your: Pulling yourself away from your Color Me Elmo book so you can make your status quo post of non-intelligent rebuttal?

Actually, Stacy, you are one of the people in which prompted me to post this thread in the first place. See, I respect people like Yeru and DakotaRed...because they are actually (or did) do something in their lives to make some sort of change to America.

Your replies in these type of topics are more horrid than one-liners heard in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie....no wait, Arnold is beyond this....a SYLVESTER STALLONE movie.

Now, Stacy, time to be a "big girl" and put down the Crayola's for a moment. Please contribute something constructive to debate or support the current subject, other than your usual whining and moaning of how people are being big bad bashers of the U.S.

Are you capable of this? Or I am fooling myself and am right that you are some 13 year old stuck in the middle of Kansas who posts on this board because her cell phone battery is dead?

Oh, and people...can we keep on the subject? Please. :) I hope those who are familar and unfamilar with this topic have visited the links I have provided. At least learn and/or review something important that affects your (and your children/grandchildren's) lives.

( edited because I'm soooo typing/speaking/writing in Portuguese context with my English now. What's worse? I went from proper Portuguese to speaking Zona-Sul slang. These is like somebody speaking the Queen's English and moved to East L.A. and adopted the speech there. But it gets me the girls, and that's what I'm biologically here for...right? )

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Truth, Justice, and the American Way

by D8TA in

ah yes, the ?truth?

?and not by the standards of one publishing company in which we all here share something in common with.

as i?ve sat silently for months, browsing this board on occasion, and i still can?t believe there are people here who blind themselves with ?patriotism?

D8TA

Who have we sanctioned without a valid reason solely to gain a chokehold?
2. Specifically, in your life time...who has been exploited by the US and how???
If the United States receives an "F" in world relations...who has a better score...and what is your criterion for that judgment?

Number one, this is not an issue of perfectionism.

This is an issue of people who have always cried and wine about people here who expressed their discontent with the U.S. and it?s policy. This is for people who deliberately feign ignorance.

Now, I am going to provide a link to George Washington University. I am NOT your professor; therefore I am NOT going to create links and long-winded production of evidence in which any average Joe can find by searching. The history of the U.S. is replete with exploitation and initiating (or supporting by economic or military force thru the U.N.) sanctions for self-serving purposes, be they simple or grand. A simple search for a day in one?s life who is genuinely interested in their countries policy, can actually be beneficial for a lifetime.

Now this link (should you have the motivation) will provide you with FACTS backed up by U.S. Government documents. You people always begin your name tagging with ?you?re a liberal ? using a liberal resource? blah de blah blah argument. Well Sonny Jim, these subjects are backed by reports by the U.S. agencies who were either involved or who investigated.

AFTER this link, I wish to ask that when people here are asked for proof about U.S. Global Relations and/or Exploitation by measure of economic and military action (including actions from certain "intelligence" agencies), that this thread can be kindly pointed out.

This (long list) is but a BRIEF example of U.S. atrocities.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/

Further information regarding U.S. Global Relations and Exploitation can also be found here: http://nsarchive.chadwyck.com/

Now I will kindly ask DakotaRed and people of the like: To stop this ?Where is the documented proof? argument when he himself when asked for evidence or to counter arguments with evidence has only responded with,? The proof is in the pudding?. I think the evidence provided by the subjects of the first link will make it "black & white" for you, since most of it is backed up documented evidence BY your own Government.

You have your proof now, be big boys and girls, and do YOUR own research.

Now on to:

I want you to point out to me one single country that does it better!

My statement that I made when initiating this thread was to the hardcore whiners who cry foul when people, again, type or discontent about the U.S. and its policies. In truth neither the U.S. nor any country on this planet does ?better??and no, neither the U.S. nor any country is ?better?. What my point is, which you have proven, is that if you are going to do the ?America is Greatest ? U.S. # 1? defense?be prepared to take responsibility for what you back up.

Again, is it: France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Indonesia, Nigeria, be whatever country it is?that always needs to be landing troops in other peoples backyards? Is it the U.S. responsibility to police the world? Why is it the U.S. that is always hammering the U.N. to support them in there military conquests? It seems to me the U.S. has been the most pro-active war country in last half century. Be direct involvement (in which averages 1 every 10 years), or aiding and assisting with military, intelligence, and economic support of warring countries (arms deals, covert/black-ops, and/or corporate supported help).

Now as ?who does better in Global relations??

Brazil, New Zealand, Australia, Indonesia,. ?Should the list continue?

When the U.S. pissess in other peoples pools, and people end up dying or getting hurt because of their involvement?I think this is valid enough for people to criticize the U.S.

It?s because nobody criticizes Brazil (or such other countries), because such other countries tend to stay out of everybody else?s business. Or, because the U.S. has monopolized the ?pissing in other people?s pool? game.

People don?t go thru great trouble to fly airplanes into buildings, just for the sake of pure hate and grievance against the U.S. And don?t take this statement as I condoning such and action. These people are people who have been affected and are retaliating against U.S. policy that has robbed them of homes and families. These are people who are fighting back against policies that kill their families back home. This goes along with the, ?Don?t punch somebody in the nose and not expect retaliation? argument.

...and what is your criterion for that judgment?

Using a euphemism that relates to Elementary Grade school report cards as to U.S. vs. others in Global Relations is my ?criteria?. In other words, it?s just driving my point home.

Now, as to me personally, I know I could never change the world on a grand scale. A solution I have sought is to help and aid those in the developing countries of Latin America. Be it reform in local government, or aiding those who have no means of recieving basic necessities. Yes, people from the U.S. help as do many Asian and European countries.

I always see people of the conservative nature on this board ask for evidence: I have provided.

I always see people here ask for solutions: I have mine.

Now what is YOUR peoples evidence to counter what I've provided, and what are YOU doing for a solution to current corrupted U.S. policies. As in RIGHT NOW. Not years ago, or yesterday. The pursuit for change is a never-ending challenge...as it is for Liberty, Justice, and the Pursuit of Happiness for ALL (that's inclusive for the entire globe, just not Americans).

As to putting my feet to the fire? You guys haven?t. Why is it I am prepared to back my arguments up with facts, links, and evidence?and when I ask for you to counter such with equal methods?you don?t? Do you actually research what I type? Or do you just go on some "common sense" argument and hope that there's something to back you up and disprove what I say here?

In other threads I see people questioning the policies of the U.S. and being labled as "Left wing extremists" and the like. I'm not on left, I'm just not ignorant. Other replies to peoples discontent with U.S. policy is met with people who just flat out whine and grumble because somebody decided to type: I'm not happy with the U.S. at the moment for reason X. Then these people who nothing better to do but stop their Color Me Elmo project with Crayoal Crayons make one or two sentences pandering for censorship.

I guess there is something that most Americans forgot, and that is choice. You don't want to come into current events, don't click on it. If you don't want to see people questioning (or in your perception-bashing) the policies and action of the U.S. don't enter the threads and read them. If you do decide on the choice to enter such topics, be prepared to argue and debate against the subject.

This what I meant by "...and frankly, you are making yourself look like an idiot". Comon sense argument can go a short way, but there isn't a whole lot of that "Good ol' American Common Sense" in the realm of U.S. policies. You can't quip in an argument with statements like: "Well, tell that to the 3,000 dead people that died on Sept. 11th."....or "It's really about going after the big bad man with mustache and not oil", and then run away without providing something to back up what you say the U.S. is doing is for the betterment of some other countries system.

So far, I see people here provide solid evidence that U.S. interests are not accurate as to what CNN/MSNBC/FoxNews (all being the free public relations dept. for the U.S. war machine right now) are reporting. Do people in the U.S. even check other news sources (BBC anyone?) to make a well rounded opinion about something? Or are you content being fed propaganda by U.S. media firms (who have interests of their own) between your NFL and NBA games?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: There are more enemies in Washington D.C. than there are evil men with turbans and/or dictators with SuperCut haircuts, starving armies, and bad mustaches who " Supposedly had WoMD" . The enemies in Wash. D.C. are tearing your country apart, and untill you clean your own house dear American's....quit coming into other peoples houses and pissing on their carpets and not expect the residents to get angry...huh? Should you do and support this, then expect that there are people who are going to rock the boat, and have every right to do so.

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Truth, Justice, and the American Way

by D8TA in

ah yes, the ?truth?

?and not by the standards of one publishing company in which we all here share something in common with.

as i?ve sat silently for months, browsing this board on occasion, and i still can?t believe there are people here who blind themselves with ?patriotism?

D8TA

Ah yes, the ?truth??and not by the standards of one publishing company in which we all here share something in common with.

As I?ve sat silently for months, browsing this board on occasion, and I still can?t believe there are people here who blind themselves with ?patriotism? with the U.S. as they once did with Watch Tower.

Here is a hard fact: The U.S. is one (if not ?THE?) most powerful and richest nations on this planet. It did not rise to this height with total honesty and/or nobility. The U.S. rose to power by a number of methods that included the exploitation and deaths of people around this planet. They also have initiated a number sanctions in it?s history that did not benefit the sanctioned country (nor aided it to ?democracy?), and such sanctions were/are utilized to gain a firmer control of such countries. Sanctions that caused death to hundred of thousands (if not millions) of people. Illegal and Legal arms sales that have caused death to hundred of thousands of people.

This is a FACT some here need to get into there heads. The more you respond with your nobility, justice, and ?The American Way? argument?the more of an idiot you are making yourself into.

There 3 categories of people here:

Those Who Support America and are Content with the Current System.

Those Who Support America and are not Content and Want Change.

Those Who Can Care Less.

I will only address the first category of people; some who sit in complete ignorance and defend the actions of a nation with out question.

Take responsibility for your countries actions. If you sit and type your ?U.S. is #1? and ?we are the greatest??. take responsibility for your support. Quit your whining about ?America Bashing?. Sorry kiddies, your country exploits and kills other fellow human beings around the world, expect to be bashed. Don?t expect that when your country punches somebody in the nose, or pays somebody else to do it for them, that the rest of the world wont retaliate. Be it the U.S. or ANY country!

Now, it has been PROVEN that the U.S. has engaged in actions (presently and historically) that have solely benefited U.S. interests. If this doesn?t sit well with you when you are presented with this, then tough titties, it?s a fact. Your ignorance doesn?t shield you from people who wish to retaliate against the U.S. (and it?s interests) when it shares responsibility in destroying homes, families, and social structures.

Are such people justified when retaliating? I don?t know. But I do know this; they are as justified in retaliation as the U.S. is in its provocation. Again, if you punch somebody in the nose to gain something solely for yourself, don?t expect that the person wont strike back.

I liken it to a schoolyard bully. Sure he pushes and beats some of the kids at times, and at other times he helps those who honor him. That fact is, he is still a bully.

I give America and F in the school of Global Relations.

Why?

Because the U.S. and the people who do currently support it?s system, ?don?t work and play well with others?.

Solution? Choice. It?s your choice if you want to change policy in your country. It?s whether you want to do it or not. Get involved with local politics, go and find resources and/or programs that support your view of whatever issue needs to be adjusted. But if you are a person who is content with the system the U.S. has, goes to work, comes home, and does nothing else but?then take the heat and responsibility for your lack of action.

Sure you have your ?Freedom of Speech? in which I support, just remember: If you stick your head in the sand and defend and issue you don?t fully understand or deliberately defend with ignorance, you are making yourself look like an idiot.

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Armageddon? Nope! No King of the North!

by metatron in

the russian army is a complete mess and they admit as much.. .

no king of the north?

no fufillment of prophecy, no armageddon.. how can they continue to preach "the end is near" ?

D8TA

Woa woa woa skippy. If my knowledge ïn "popular" fiction serves me correct (ex: Awake, WT, Wizard of Oz, etc.): Clearly Armageddon can no longer occur when Dorthoy's house landed on the Wicked Witch of the East and vanquished the Wicked Witch of the West with a bucket of water. When those events happened? The whole "theory" of the King of the North and King of the South was utterly disproven.

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Ex-JW Singles - Post Your Info Here!

by pettygrudger in

lots of love connections have been made on this board, and its about time we made a few more!

its been almost a year since there was a thread on this, and i figure its about time for an update.. so, are you single?

if so, post a little about yourself here - perhaps there's a love connection right here on this board!.

D8TA

I am still single, but I date. Right now, I'm dating * counts fingers *....4...no...5! 5 girls. Thing is, most people down here aren't in to LTR. They just like one nighters called "ficar", and usually things fizzle out after that. No, a "ficar" is not when you "pay" for "it". I never "pay" for "it", for there is no need to "pay" for "it".

But with a ratio of 12 women to 1 man here in Rio de Janeiro, and I being the Gringo-Branca-Com-Ohlas-Verdes...the ration is about 1 million to 1.

* takes pin out and pops head before ego gets to big *

Where was I? Ah...yes, I am single.