in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.
i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.
you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.
Isaac = Yitzhak
Jerusalem = Yirusalem
Where does Josephus' 4th vowel come from?
This all seems like a quagmire to me. I mean divine...
I don't believe we know what the real YHWH would be, and if we could it still wouldn't matter.
I don't believe anyone left any conclusive clues, the original was lost to superstition.
And while Martini or anyone else of that time period may not have invented Jehovah, they certainly were the point of reinforcing it, an unknown as fact.
tm3 is back!!
july broadcast rant on child abuse.
http://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/.
the past five weeks have been perhaps the most painful in my life as a witness.. some months ago a young man (i'd say in his late thirties or early forties) began attending meetings at my kingdom hall.
he had just moved to my area from another state.
he had disassociated himself from his home congregation many years back, when he was 20 years old and going through many of the typical trials and temptations most young men experience.. two of the elders met with him initially, and they later shared the details with the body of elders.
in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.
i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.
you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.
Hebrew names that being with yod though are consonants though no? Isaac for instance. Or Jerusalem.
Then still the E in the beginning, why is it not an A?
tm3 is back!!
july broadcast rant on child abuse.
http://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/.
TM3 is back!! July broadcast rant on child abuse.
http://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/
"the governing body asked me..." I am sure its more like "The legal department begged me"
Also this old PSA, very interesting, very covert, I am sure this was a legal move from my own experience in business and legal, they didn't really promote it, but by releasing it they put something on record back then showing "proactivity" if you will. Very clever and will probably elude the skepticism of most R&F.
in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.
i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.
you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.
I never use Wikipedia as a reference! I am college edumacated after all, that is not allowed.
I still have no idea how any of that give you a certainty that we know how or even if it ever had a pronunciation.
So where does the e come from in the beginning?
And I think Martini is just one of many who make this whole subject silly, he may not be the "inventor" of Jehovah as you claim, but seriously, I think the old scribes are playing a mean trick on anyone determined to try to figure this out. Like putting someone in a round room and telling them to pee in the corner.
Tell me Opp are you an expert on Ketiv/Qere?
Also why does gerlad calim the yod as a vowel?
in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.
i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.
you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.
But they did not use adonai all the time anyway, they had to mix it up. Sometimes did they not use the vowel points for Elohim? So some texts didn't read Adonai, Adonai?? I am of course talking about K's & Q's can't remember if you mentioned those or not, but I don't remember.
And again wasn't that Gertoux's deal who you site, that shema is the vowel source?
in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.
i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.
you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.
in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.
i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.
you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.
can't go back to the bridge yet, I still have questions, this is how I learn by listening.
So you do not believe the name to be Hybrid, Correct?
Also for a fact you state there was no mixing of Adonai OR Elohim? into JHVH?
