I think three months for me. I had pretty much faded out without this site. It wasn't a part of my awakening. But has become a part of my venting. Coping. And hopefully Assisting other if I can.
freemindfade
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Newbies , Are We Seeing An Accelerated Increase? This Past Year ? Newbies Feel free To Respond Please .
by smiddy inis it just me or does anyone else see more newbies joining this site this past year and especially in the last few months .. we would love to welcome you with genuine friendship ,support ,encouragement ,a place to vent ,and not judge you.. you have the freedom to express whatever view you like and you won`t be kicked off the board.. and to learn more about the "truth" about the truth , you will not hear at a kingdom hall .. smiddy.
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"...and they were eating and drinking and marrying, etc"
by Phaedra inwas just thinking of how i used to sit in audience growing up at the kh hearing of "those in noah's day" eating and drinking and what not during some wt article.
i thought, "those poor people, doing what their hearts desire, and then perishing because they were not people of jehovah.".
they lived, partied and died.. we don't live any differently today.. we are those people.. we thought we were the exception.. fools we were.. phae.
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freemindfade
I am sure some of our modern day maniacs that have committed mass genocide had better reasons to slaughter men, women and children than just "they were enjoying their life too much". I am not saying their reasons were good, but think about it for a second.
Gods answer to some people on earth being too violent was to violently kill nearly every man, woman, child, animal and plant.
And then there were those just enjoying their life. "shame on them. Kill them too, because I am the jealous desert storm god and they are laughing and having fun and not thinking about me..."
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I have a serious problem
by My Name is of No Consequence ini have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.
i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.
i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.
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freemindfade
After sleeping on it I think I have changed my passive thought, on second thought why don't you b$#@h slap this elder in front of your son and show him the importance of protecting your family from predatory people and ideas. -
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Supernatural Tony......the 3rd
by snare&racket ini realised something today.... we all happily accepted something really ridiculous.....something that if worded how i will word it now, we would have rejected as ridiculous, but after a moments thought, would have to concede.. we once followed the governing body because we believed they had supernatural powers.
how ridiculous you may say, no we didn't!
of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws.
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I have to agree, don't take what he posted personally, as we grow away from this born in $hit, we come to revelations that indoctrination would have previously blinded us to. When that happens you want to talk to somebody about it, with exjw's here its an understanding place to vent your thoughts. It's healthy to express yourself and help get yourself on solid ground outside the cult.
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I have a serious problem
by My Name is of No Consequence ini have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.
i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.
i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.
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freemindfade
My Name is of No Consequence
my wife and I had a strained relationship before when I was going through the metamorphosis of my fade. Eventually this passed and our relationship was better than ever. Then i had this blow out with my family, now things are painfully strained between us again. She wants to support me but they are all talking behind my back, I have seen some of the things they have said to her and much of it is outright lies. For instance someone said "I mentioned an apostate website to my brother AND encouraged him to visit it" that is a bold faced lie! from my own family! They have said i am hiding things from her, she (my pioneer wife) has come to my defense using scriptures and telling them to please lighten up, and they take that as an insult then bombard her with what an awful apostate I am. More than anything else in my fade, this experience has been the most eye opening as far as what a twisted cult this is. I didn't think anything could give me more evidence than I had, but they did. They have infected my relationship with my wife with defamation of me, lies and distrust.
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I have a serious problem
by My Name is of No Consequence ini have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.
i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.
i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.
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freemindfade
I am being treated by many as disfellowshipped, I know the anger my friend, very well. I say just refer to their own dribble on jw.org under "Do Jehovah's Witnesses Shun Former Members" (i think that is the title). It talks about family bonds and so forth, but it is also about disfellowshipped ones, which you are not! So they are going well beyond their own cult laws by treating you this way. You are not being honored as the head of your household, perhaps you should speak to your C/O. It's their stupid game, might as well play it by their rules. -
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Supernatural Tony......the 3rd
by snare&racket ini realised something today.... we all happily accepted something really ridiculous.....something that if worded how i will word it now, we would have rejected as ridiculous, but after a moments thought, would have to concede.. we once followed the governing body because we believed they had supernatural powers.
how ridiculous you may say, no we didn't!
of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws.
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freemindfade
Good point. Goes back to the anchor that is the strongest force in a cult. We belong to the one true religion, and we can only have access through them. -
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Phases of Mental Extraction
by freemindfade inin only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.
i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.
but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.
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freemindfade
JWfacts covers that really well under fear and mind control. It's used often in politics. I read it only recently but backs up this very idea, Check it out.
Speech Techniques
In an article titled Persuasion and Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public Today8Dick Sutphen discusses the speech techniques of Politicians and lawyers. These are also common sales techniques, and mimic the structure of a typical public talk at the Kingdom hall and the outline of Watchtower articles.
First, he might generate what is called a "YES SET." These are statements that will cause listeners to agree; they might even unknowingly nod their heads in agreement. Next come the TRUISMS. These are usually facts that could be debated but, once the politician has his audience agreeing, the odds are in the politician's favor that the audience won't stop to think for themselves, thus continuing to agree. Last comes the SUGGESTION. This is what the politician wants you to do and, since you have been agreeing all along, you could be persuaded to accept the suggestion. In the following political speech, you'll find that the first three are the "yes set," the next three are truisms and the last is the suggestion.
"Ladies and gentlemen: are you angry about high food prices? Are you tired of astronomical gas prices? Are you sick of out-of-control inflation? Well, you know the Other Party allowed 18 percent inflation last year; you know crime has increased 50 percent nationwide in the last 12 months, and you know your pay cheque hardly covers your expenses any more. Well, the answer to resolving these problems is to elect me, John Jones, to the U.S. Senate."
A talk at the Kingdom hall is virtually the same. YES SET "Are you tired of the problems in the world? Do you long for an end to crime, violence and death? TRUISMS These are all a product of Satan's system. Aren't we grateful that soon Jehovah will do away with all this suffering? SUGGESTION We must stick close to Jehovah's Organization to enjoy these benefits."
In The True Believer,9 a book on mass movements, Eric Hoffer suggests at least a third of the population are "true believers." They are joiners and followers, people who want to give away their power, looking for answers, meaning, and enlightenment outside themselves. This type of person is "not intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but are those craving to be rid of unwanted self." This type of person is "eternally incomplete and eternally insecure!" and can easily be transformed into fanatics who will gladly work and die for their holy cause whether politics, churches, businesses or social cause groups. Mass movements generally have a charismatic ruler, and a devil. This type of person is unlikely to be reading this site, they don't want to know. Neither am I convinced that this type of person should stop being a Jehovah's Witness. If they do they most likely will become involved in a similar organization that also uses manipulation to force its members into a prescribed way of life.
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''Re-examine all you have been told...dismiss what insults your soul.''
by gone for good inthis wonderful walt whitman quote is featured on a page of a fabulous website - www.journeyfree.org.
phd.
marlene winell posts great essays on the destruction and harm caused to those exposed to fundamentalist teaching and tactics, and more importantly, how to support those courageous enough to walk away from an entire worldview fabricated from false truths.. excellent informative reading from an intelligent articulate author .. your observations would be most welcome.
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freemindfade
I like it
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1 Corinthians 11:3
by XBEHERE inrnwt "but i want you to know that the head of every man is the christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the christ is god.".
sexism aside, how does the wt/gb explain their absolute power over the sheeples based on this scripture?
where are they located in the model listed in that scrtipture?
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freemindfade
Witnesses are like an abused partner in an abusive relationship.
They get the shit beat out of them by the abuser, but they always go back to well they are trying to do the right thing, thats what is important. I think more witnesses than we think now feel these guys are clowns but affectionately look at them like "but they are trying so hard for us".
