Posts by freemindfade

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Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

by FusionTheism in

i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

freemindfade

Alternatively it could just be that animals that live in herds are more successful if they cooperate rather than antagonise the group and will often reap rewards for positive behaviour.

Cantleave this is very true. Evolution shows success can be improved through cooperation, then bam, now you have society, what keeps society strong, certain standards.

Anyone who says morals come from knowing the Supreme Being (yhwh) who sheep herders made up not so long ago, how do you explain social "moral" standards present in ancient isolated tribes complete untouched by our silly middle easter religions (and the've been around since before your supposed YHWH made man). Because they are the same evolutionary success story.

So certain basics are inherent to a strong social group trying to survive, ie don't murder your fellow tribe member, don't steal from him, and so on. Basics!

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Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

by FusionTheism in

i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

freemindfade

FusionTheism, the people you listed shouldn't be measured by their beliefs but behavior, just like anyone else. Morality always boils down to behavior not what you believe. And I personally take the Humanist approach to morality as abrahamic religions have a lot of nonsensical baggage that is false morality in my opinion.

And TTWSYF what you are saying is not true whatsoever I am afraid, I think the standards of morality that we now have are because of people of faith in a supreme God. The fact is that once someone said there is one and only god and he is MY god, that's when the moral shit hit the fan for the human race, case and point, the middle east!

look what the Pagan Egyptians had long before any of the Desert God worshipping sheep herders wrote down a single word:

I hate to break it to you but a good part of the original ten moral laws given by the desert god to the nomads, were in fact a few principles plagiarized from good ol pagan Egypt. Who seemed to have a better version quite honestly.

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Learners

by freemindfade in

if you were at the watchtower how many times did you hear this idiotic condescending word?

i think i must have heard it 500 times.

the learner.

freemindfade

They don't have to bring it up now, the seed is planted, the ball is rolling they will say it all the time. Like glean, and flippant etc

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Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

by FusionTheism in

i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

freemindfade

done4good

good stuff

I have no problem saying atheists and Christians are EQUAL.

I think all of us would agree FT all humans are equal, all ideas however are not. And when you get it through your head that Christian is not a 'person' it's a set of ideals, maybe you will understand that. We should never be afraid to call an idea bad when it clearly harms hundreds and hundreds of millions over thousands of years.

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Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

by FusionTheism in

i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

freemindfade

Never heard that, I think you are mistaking the SOURCE of morality in each group.

If i don't steal because I am afraid to violate the ten commandments or if I don't steal because I genuinely don't want to cause harm to someone else, it doesn't matter what you believe, the second reason is more intrinsic morality and not extrinsic.

there are good and bad christians

there are good and bad atheists

In either group if someone is doing good for the right reason what difference does it make what they believe???

I just feel you post this crap to instigate, but whatever here I am contributing to this nonsense.

It always comes back to this, religion is dangerous and capable of twisting morals:

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire

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Interesting article considering what's happening begging for money in the congregations

by JakeM2012 in

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/14/us/sunday-stickup/index.html.

i thought this article had some interesting interesting comments including this, "if a pastor or church leader has ever told you that the bible commands christians to tithe or give 10% of their income; hit you up for multiple offerings during one service; made you march up front to give; asked you to donate to a mysterious "building fund" or give a "first-fruit" offering; or even given special recognition to big givers in your congregation, lee and other pastors have a message for you:.

you are getting played.. these rituals, they say, violate new testament teachings about how and why people should give.

freemindfade

The Searcher

fastJehu

disposable hero of hypocrisy

lol

Apostate New Light!!!

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Interesting article considering what's happening begging for money in the congregations

by JakeM2012 in

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/14/us/sunday-stickup/index.html.

i thought this article had some interesting interesting comments including this, "if a pastor or church leader has ever told you that the bible commands christians to tithe or give 10% of their income; hit you up for multiple offerings during one service; made you march up front to give; asked you to donate to a mysterious "building fund" or give a "first-fruit" offering; or even given special recognition to big givers in your congregation, lee and other pastors have a message for you:.

you are getting played.. these rituals, they say, violate new testament teachings about how and why people should give.

freemindfade

The widow part was awesome. And his part in quotes about mystery building funds and first fruits sounds like he watched the May broadcast.

if he hasn't I would like to try and reach out to him to get his take on our Mr Lett.

to me the widow thing is bombshell for the may money beg.

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Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

by JW GoneBad in

wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

"elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

freemindfade

The MS's (at least in some halls I've been in) do the heavy lifting and crap work. Basically elders bitches, if they get appointed elders and all the bitches turn into elders, who will lick the elders @$$hole??? That's why they don't push them. Really leaders always make more leaders. Crap leaders (elders) protect their position with utmost insecurity.

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Who's will is it?

by freemindfade in

in our super cappy fallacious public talk today.

i kept hearing "we do jehovahs will" "do jehovahs will" "not our will...jehovahs" there was a lot of crap in the talk to be irritated by.

but this got me thinking.... if you are required under penalty of death!

freemindfade

Nelim I get what you are saying. In this talk though he was basically emphasizing (way too much) humans are capable of so much art. Music. Science science and technology. But we will never be capable of living our lives by our own will. So what's the point? Are we just creative robots?

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Who's will is it?

by freemindfade in

in our super cappy fallacious public talk today.

i kept hearing "we do jehovahs will" "do jehovahs will" "not our will...jehovahs" there was a lot of crap in the talk to be irritated by.

but this got me thinking.... if you are required under penalty of death!

freemindfade

In our super cappy fallacious public talk today. I kept hearing "we do jehovahs will" "do jehovahs will" "not our will...jehovahs" there was a lot of crap in the talk to be irritated by. But this got me thinking...

If you are REQUIRED Under penalty of death! To do someone elses WILL do you really have FREE WILL?