DOC I have never heard anyone outside of the org guilty for loosing their virginity. Perhaps they weren't crazy about who to, but there are a lot of people out there who don't attach sex with requiring marriage. But I digress my who point was how is that statement different than what trump said when they have provided no source for the statement?
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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta
by freemindfade insoliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta
by freemindfade insoliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
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Also for all who haven't read it, i highly recommend reading Daniel Genser's story.
This would be my approach, sort of a summary. Not overloaded with TTATT and spite against the org, just some facts, and very pragmatic delivery of "I am looking for the truth in the witnesses, its not there" (event hough I have been that way for some time.)
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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta
by freemindfade insoliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
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Bonsai
I like that approach, for my own situation I think I need to try something less emotionally charged.
Finkelstein
My own journey of truth as far as the witnesses goes has already ended some time ago. Its me freemind, I full well know the cult nonesense, just for peace sake have to filter my thoughts with the wife, i am speaking of filling her in fully that it is my conclusion its lies and such to me, which it has been for sometime, but she doesn't know that.
dubstepped
I am already hopeless she will wake up, but when I do this I don't want to do it in a way it seems I am trying to wake her up. i acknowledge some people don't want to leave the vail of comforting lies, even if in their gut they feel something is wrong.
cappytan
While she tolerates my current situation, when I try to discuss these things she tries to "pioneer". To give an example, in the watchtower yesterday there was a non-sourced idiotic statement by the watchtower. About "the majority of people who lost their virginity". I circled it and wrote next to it "Source"?. She looked at me like I was crazy and said "thats true". I tried to stay cool and said even if it were, it should not be stated in something like this in writing with a source to back up the claim. (of course I know that is not true, but I know she will turn it into me advocating premarital sex, which is not my issue here). I could see she wasn't getting it. And said the people they talked to must have said that, and she knows its gotta be true. So she like many of us, even die hard witnesses that I have joked with, have had a good laugh at the atrocious things Donald Trump said about Mexicans. I told her, this falls into the same category, a blanket statement presented as fact with no truth to back it up. I was trying to make the case not for the dogma of premarital sex, but the image of making idiotic statements with nothing to back them up. She full on chooses to accept it because the watchtower said it, no other reason.
My point is I am not interested in waking her. I still try of course because my human nature forces me to point out things like the above, but when I tell her I don't believe the witnesses, I don't believe in YHWH, and I don't believe the bible, is for nothing other than to be fully honest with her.
I wonder what it would be like for her to see me be honest then say i am still going to go to the meetings with you and have a minimal amount of interaction with the cult to maintain friendships. The standard witness response is just go then, leave. But when I have to show that I can't leave because its a god damned cult, maybe that will eat away at her.
Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the advice
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YHWH Demoted from Desert God, to be Known as the Tennis God Now!
by freemindfade inhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/serena-williams-secret-weapon-jehovah-god_55a06ed9e4b0ecec71bc445b.
serena williams' secret weapon: 'jehovah god'.
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_Morpheus, its so nice being a witness and not having to think
something good happened... YHWH!
Something bad happened... Satan!
So easy
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YHWH Demoted from Desert God, to be Known as the Tennis God Now!
by freemindfade inhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/serena-williams-secret-weapon-jehovah-god_55a06ed9e4b0ecec71bc445b.
serena williams' secret weapon: 'jehovah god'.
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Lol
And I don't want anyone to take this wrong. I am very happy for the sister success and they are incredible athletes. But any time an athlete praises god for their success it's appalling. Who do I thank for my warriors win? Lucifer?
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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta
by freemindfade insoliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
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Yep. Daniels story is the one I refer to. Very powerful. But to me most powerful was his choice of words and reasoning.
Sitting through the meeting yesterday and listening to them talk about "the sin of not being interested" is exactly what you are talking about. They straight up implied jesus is coming to whoop your ass if you arent interested enough to learn more. Stupid cult.
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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta
by freemindfade insoliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
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Soliciting any and all opinions.
As some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer. My fade has gone from us fighting. To her being tolerant that I am working on my doubts as I am shunned by my family for voicing some discontent with the borg. She has changed a lot to become a much more tolerant person. However as the RC showed me she is still completely resistant to opening her eyes to the stupidity of this cult even a little.
So I hold back for peace sake. Part of her cd (for me not the org) is she feels (my doing) that I am just starting over and trying to prove this is the truth. Still she is not naive entirely and I think she knows I am agnostic at best, with atheist tendencies lol.
I read an article cappy shared withe about a young couple. And his explanation of having to leave the religion and start a new life with his wife. It was so well worded. It had TTATT in it but was so genuine, not vitriol at all. It was heart wrenching and beautiful. I entertain thoughts of DA all the time but part of me feels that I cannot play their cult game and Id rather stay where I am and rott (with knowledge) their cult from the inside out. But coming clean and telling here essentially know this is not gods chosen organization, I know the bible is not gods word, and I know there is no yhwh, would be very final for her. She would know that's it I'm done.
Thoughts?
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New Light on the Choice of Mary as the Mother of Jesus
by Slidin Fast inthis interesting manuscript unearthed in nazareth throws up new information on this important subject.
who knew?
wow, i mean wow!.
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freemindfade
I think we should copy these onion articles and send them to that one or more relative who love to forward all kinds of nonsense. See if they go witness viral.
Long live the onion!
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Satan Let Out After 1000 Years, Makes Sense... or no?
by freemindfade inlong before i woke up as a born in, this never, i mean never ever had any good explanation for me, or not even a bad one.
the jws seem to have an explanation for everything even if it is bat shit cray, but the logic to this i have never been given.
if you ask did god put satan there to test/tempt whatever adam and eve, the answer would be of course not!
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C0ntr013r
that explanation philosophically doesn't vibe. Adam and eve satan just up and deceived all humanity while we suffer for a mere 6000 years.
Jesus. That's a whole other philosophical cluster f#&%. But still. Satan was already around. Chilling on in the vacinity of the earth Lucy and his home boys.
Then the thousand years, for once since the garden he's not around. To bring him back simply to test perfect humans shows gods intention would have been to always test perfect humans.
Beyond that, didn't jesus settle that? A perfect man kept his integrity. And also why not spring ol Lucy (lucifer) very thousand years thereafter. Just to be sure?
But at its core no amount of CD could ever cover the fact that the desert god, chooses to let this murderous lying maniac out of jail, the god by choice is using his enemy to test his oh so beloved humans.
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How the Watchtower Screws Up Your View of Scripture
by CalebInFloroda inwhile i do not argue the stand of atheism (because as a jew i find it totally logical and acceptable), i have noticed that there are odd carryover preconceptions about scripture that some hold as axiomatic about the bible (at least the hebrew texts), misconceptions that have nothing to do with the jewish scriptures themselves.. so regardless of what you may think of scripture, whether you believe it is of g-d or not, i thought some of you might enjoy a reference to see how much the watchtower teaching on scripture might still be influencing the conclusions you are making today...at least about the tanakh.
jews read their texts acknowledging the following:.
1. no scriptural concept of original sin.
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freemindfade
Thanks Caleb, as always I have enjoyed your perspective that I came to learn some of myself being surounded by *you people*
I look forward to hearing you break more fundamentalist hearts on here and also your informaton could be very eye opening for lurkers. Your contributions are valuable.