Thanks Crumpet, its just having seen how it affected me and having you guys here who showed me a lot of things that i realised its not just me and that i can prove things!
Posts by KW13
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24Final Fight - Round 1
by KW13 ini did something smart lol!
firstly talking respecfully to my mum got further than shouting so now the last ideas.... firstly i e-mailed the british musuem, ask about their tours, information on things they have on the site and all that.
this will enable me to take mum there and show her the truth.. secondly and finally i've decided i want to contact the united nations.
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Final Fight - Round 1
by KW13 ini did something smart lol!
firstly talking respecfully to my mum got further than shouting so now the last ideas.... firstly i e-mailed the british musuem, ask about their tours, information on things they have on the site and all that.
this will enable me to take mum there and show her the truth.. secondly and finally i've decided i want to contact the united nations.
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Final Fight - Round 1
by KW13 ini did something smart lol!
firstly talking respecfully to my mum got further than shouting so now the last ideas.... firstly i e-mailed the british musuem, ask about their tours, information on things they have on the site and all that.
this will enable me to take mum there and show her the truth.. secondly and finally i've decided i want to contact the united nations.
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KW13
Dear Karl From Compass, note the text in red which states Nebuchadnezzar invaded Jerusalem 15/16 March 597 B.C.E. 10 yeaars before 607 B.C.E. but also 10 years before
in 586/7 BCE:
Cuneiform tablet with part of the Babylonian Chronicle (605-594 BC) Neo-Babylonian, about 550-400 BC From Babylon, southern IraqNebuchadnezzar II's campaigns in the west This tablet is one of a series that summarises the principal events of each year from 747 BC to at least 280 BC. Each entry is separated by a horizontal line and begins with a reference to the year of reign of the king in question. Following the defeat of the Assyrians (as described in the Chronicle for 616-609 BC), the Egyptians became the greatest threat to the Babylonians. In 605 Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian crown prince, replaced his father Nabopolassar as commander-in-chief and led the army up the Euphrates to the city of Charchemish. There he defeated the Egyptians. Later that year Nabopolassar died and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to be crowned. Over the next few years he kept his control over Syria and extended it into Palestine. In 601 BC he marched to Egypt, but withdrew on meeting the Egyptian army. After re-equipping his army, Nebuchadnezzar marched to Syria in 599 BC. He marched westwards again, in December 598 BC, as Jehoiakim, the king of Judah, had ceased to pay tribute. Nebuchadnezzar's army besieged Jerusalem and captured it on 15/16th March 597 BC. The new king of Judah, Jehoiachin, was captured and carried off to Babylon. A series of expeditions to Syria brings this Chronicle to an end in 594 BC.
Length: 8.25 cm
Width: 6.19 cm ANE
21946 Room 55 , Later Mesopotamia, case 15, no. 24J.B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern texts relating to the Old Testament, 3rd ed. (Princeton University Press, 1969), pp. 563-4 T.C. Mitchell, The Bible in the British Museum: interpreting the evidence (London, The British Museum Press, 1988), pp. 82-3, no. 43
D.J. Wiseman, Chronicles of Chaldaean kings (626-556 BC) in the British Museum (London, Trustees of the British Museum, 1956), pp. 66-75, plates XIV-XVI A.K. Grayson, Babylonian and Assyrian chronicles (Locust Valley, J.J. Augustin, 1975), pp. 99-102 If you would like further information we have books available in the museum's Reading Room on this subject or you can contact the Department of the Ancient Near East. Here is their email address.
Yours sincerely
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Final Fight - Round 1
by KW13 ini did something smart lol!
firstly talking respecfully to my mum got further than shouting so now the last ideas.... firstly i e-mailed the british musuem, ask about their tours, information on things they have on the site and all that.
this will enable me to take mum there and show her the truth.. secondly and finally i've decided i want to contact the united nations.
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KW13
Right i got my reply from the British Museum
Firstly i sent only ONE e-mail saying...
Hello my name is XXXXX
My mum is a Jehovah's Witness and her faith teaches her that Jerusalem was finally destroyed in 607 BCE when i know the date to be 586/7 BCE. I have found things using Compass on the British Museum Website that are helpful to my search for facts, already i've established 586/7 off your site.
There are some things i need to prove to my mum, here they are...
Firstly the Cuneiform tablet with part of the Babylonian Chronicle (605-594). Before i discuss this with mum i need to know that this is accepted FACT and nothing will change what it says or affect its content. For example the Jehovah's Witnesses have a book called 'Insight into the Scriptures' and there is a picture of the same tablet with different dating which of course is cause for concern. Lets say i wanted to come down to the Museum with my mum and show her this tablet what will it say to disprove her date 607 BCE for Jerusalem's destruction?
I know Nebuchadnezzar first came to Jerusalem to put a different king on the throne and led some from Jerusalem as captive, if this dates that then it will put the Destruction as later thus disproving 607 BCE.
Then the two Lachish Letters. These prove the date to NOT be 607 BCE?
The reason i am asking for more details is because i intend to come down to the M useum at some point. Are there any other things at the Museum that will prove the date of Jerusalem's destruction by the Babylonians in 586/7 BCE?
Also i would like to bring to your attention the fact that YEARLY Jehovah's Witnesses are shown around your Museum on a private tour which is used to prove the date 607 BCE, which is vital to their chronology for Christ's Invisible return to Heaven.
From XXXX
They replied with TWO e-mails, here they are... Dear Karl As you rightly say the Lachish letters prove the date to be 587 B.C.E., from the Red text: Lachish Letter II
Israelite, 586 BC
From Lachish (modern Tell ed-Duweir), IsraelA letter written on a piece of pottery
This is one of a group of letters written on ostraka (pot sherds) found near the main gate of ancient Lachish in a burnt layer which archaeologists have associated with the destruction of the city by the Babylonians in 586 BC. It is written in ink in alphabetic Hebrew. The letters are a poignant record of the city's last days.
In 598 BC Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, invaded Judah after it had rebelled against him. He captured Jerusalem and took the royal family captive. He installed Zedekiah, the former king's uncle, as his choice of ruler. However, rebellion broke out again. Nebuchadnezzar showed no mercy this time and in 587 BC he beseiged and then destroyed Jerusalem.
This was the period at which this letter was written. It came from an officer named Hosha'yahu who was in charge of a military outpost. He was writing to Ya'osh, military commander at Lachish, as the situation worsened.
'To my lord Ya'osh. May Yahweh cause my lord to hear the news of peace, even now, even now. Who is your servant but a dog that my lord should remember his servant?'
Peace was not to be. Nebuchadnezzar moved on to Lachish and nearby Azekah, the last two major cities of Judah to be subdued by the Babylonians. There followed a large-scale deportation of a part of Judah's population. Thus began the exile, a period of great significance for the Jews spiritually, and one which would profoundly influence later religious ideology and teaching.
Height: 9 cm
Width: 10 cmExcavated by J. L. Starkey, Wellcome-Marston Research Expedition.
ANE 125702
Room 57 , The Ancient LevantJ.N. Tubb, Canaanites (London, The British Museum Press, 1998), p. 121, fig. 81
T.C. Mitchell, The Bible in the British Museum: interpreting the evidence (London, The British Museum Press, 1988), p. 78-79, no. 41
I would recommend the books above both are available in the Reading Room.Yours sincerely
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Reading Room Supervisor
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Where were you when the realization hit, that the WTS was not in the truth?
by whyizit ini was listening to a testimonial by valerie acuff and she said that she was sitting in an assembly, looking around at the crowd and thinking to herself, "this is your family, these are your people.".
she said at that moment she heard a voice inside say, "these are not your people, this is not your family, get up and leave now, and don't ever go back.
" so she took her two children at that very moment and left, and she never went back.
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KW13
My story isn't very interesting, rather i think it probably has similarities to other peoples which just shows how bad the org is.
My stepdad used to hit me and push me around so i left, during that time i learnt about the org and stopped being a JW. Later i dedicated to a church despite mum kicking me out for doing so.
I love Church, i am C-of-E
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We have a friend in need
by TheListener inwe have a kind considerate and loving individual who needs our support and love.. this is someone who has posted helpful information, encouraging words and shared himself with us when we needed it.
i'm talking about our good friend auld soul.
as has been going through some tough times lately.
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KW13
I admire your courage. This situation can't be easy but your among friends here and my thoughts are with you at this time.
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Final Fight - Round 1
by KW13 ini did something smart lol!
firstly talking respecfully to my mum got further than shouting so now the last ideas.... firstly i e-mailed the british musuem, ask about their tours, information on things they have on the site and all that.
this will enable me to take mum there and show her the truth.. secondly and finally i've decided i want to contact the united nations.
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KW13
I did something smart lol!
Firstly talking respecfully to my mum got further than shouting so now the last ideas...
Firstly i e-mailed the British Musuem, ask about their tours, information on things they have on the site and all that. This will enable me to take mum there and SHOW her the truth.
Secondly and finally i've decided i want to contact the United Nations.
Let me know your thoughts.
(sorry for not doing all i said i am going to here just yet, got a lot to do regarding this)
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OH and the oddest thing, i prayed that mum wouldn't go to the meeting on the Sunday and guess what?! There she was sat downstairs and we had a huge chat about JW's
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THERE ARE differences between 2003 WBTCD and 2005 WBTCD
by KW13 inright here is a report generated on the differences between 2003 cd and 2005 cd from my computer.
i haven't yet looked to see if the changes are visible changes of text or just innocent changes that somehow couldn't be helped.
either way a lot of files that are meant to be the same do look different.. check this report... .
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KW13
Why did they remove the reference to it from the index book?
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THERE ARE differences between 2003 WBTCD and 2005 WBTCD
by KW13 inright here is a report generated on the differences between 2003 cd and 2005 cd from my computer.
i haven't yet looked to see if the changes are visible changes of text or just innocent changes that somehow couldn't be helped.
either way a lot of files that are meant to be the same do look different.. check this report... .
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KW13
Well folks here is a screenshot (Watchtower Library 2005 and Watchtower Library 2003 side by side)
I circled the difference. http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled13de.png
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THERE ARE differences between 2003 WBTCD and 2005 WBTCD
by KW13 inright here is a report generated on the differences between 2003 cd and 2005 cd from my computer.
i haven't yet looked to see if the changes are visible changes of text or just innocent changes that somehow couldn't be helped.
either way a lot of files that are meant to be the same do look different.. check this report... .
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KW13
Well i believe i've found a change in one of the index books on the CD's when searching for 1914.
