Posts by DakotaRed

Do you consider getting a blow job in the Oval Office as better for the country? Did you ever stop to think that taxpayers are already paying for all the clean-ups and some Liberal Elitest journalist is reporting in such a manner to make taxpayers believe they never were? The Government does not generate wealth and money. Every red cent they receive comes from taxpayers.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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The JW/UFO Connection???

by ApostasyDuJour in

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what do you make of this web page?.

http://www.jehovahinfo.org/50thyear.

is this guy whittle a crackpot, or does the watchtower have something going with space aliens now?

DakotaRed

Whittle has to be a certifiable nutcase. I read his site years ago and have my doubts as to his Watchtower connection. But, if he is, he must be one hell of an embarrassment to them.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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A JW related story.

by refiners fire in

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theres a guy i know.

we were in the dubs together ever since i was 10.. hes 5 years younger.

so,ive known him more than 30 years.. anyway.

DakotaRed

He must have had some bucks and pull somewhere, or did he live way out in the boonies? Helicopters don't come cheap and aren't allowed to just land wherever they wish.

But, you did remind me of when I was in the Army and in Vietnam. Since I was a helicopter mechanic in an Air Cav unit, we did, on occassion, misappropriate government property by utilizing Uncle Sams Hueys to ferry in "ladies" and later, take them home. Of course, the flight was registered as a "night reconnaissance" mission.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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WT publications re Rutherford's imprisonment

by FreeFallin in

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could any one tell me which of the publications would have the account of rutherford's trial and subsequent jail time.

i have many of the older books, nothing since 1990 or thereabouts.

i want to show someone the vast difference in stories.

DakotaRed

At one time, I too thought it was noble. However, today, I have to wonder whether or not the stories were embellished. Were a few incidences made to sound common place? Given the lack of sincerity I have seen from the WT, I wouldn't doubt it.

However, I too would like to see earlier accounts of what happened and compare how the stories have changed over the years. I have a few older books not on the 1999 CD and will have to look through them and see if they mention anything.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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WT publications re Rutherford's imprisonment

by FreeFallin in

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could any one tell me which of the publications would have the account of rutherford's trial and subsequent jail time.

i have many of the older books, nothing since 1990 or thereabouts.

i want to show someone the vast difference in stories.

DakotaRed

Is this account from the Proclaimers of God's Kingdom book, 1993, what you are looking for? If you can, I would be interested to see what the older publications said about it.

*** jv 69-71 6 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***
Objects of Attack
Through the close of 1917 and into 1918, the Bible Students energetically distributed the new book, The Finished Mystery. By the end of 1917, the printers were busy on the 850,000 edition. The Watch Tower of December 15, 1917, reported: “The sale of the Seventh Volume is unparallelled by the sale of any other book known, in the same length of time, excepting the Bible.”

But not everyone was thrilled with the success of The Finished Mystery. The book contained some references to the clergy of Christendom that were very cutting. This so angered the clergy that they urged the government to suppress the publications of the Bible Students. As a result of this clergy-inspired opposition, early in 1918, The Finished Mystery was banned in Canada. Opposition soon mounted against the Bible Students in the United States.

To expose this clergy-inspired pressure, on March 15, 1918, the Watch Tower Society released the tract Kingdom News No. 1. Its message? The six-column-wide headline read: “Religious Intolerance—Pastor Russell’s Followers Persecuted Because They Tell the People the Truth.” Below the heading “Treatment of Bible Students Smacks of the ‘Dark Ages’” were set forth the facts of the persecution and the ban that had begun in Canada. The instigators? The tract pulled no punches in pointing to the clergy, who were described as “a bigoted class of men who have systematically endeavored to prevent the people from understanding the Bible and to throttle all Bible teaching unless it comes through them.” What a hard-hitting message!
How did the clergy respond to such an exposé? They had already stirred up trouble against the Watch Tower Society. But now they got vicious! In the spring of 1918, a wave of violent persecution was launched against the Bible Students in both North America and Europe. The clergy-inspired opposition came to a head on May 7, 1918, when U.S. federal warrants were issued for the arrest of J. F. Rutherford and several of his close associates. By mid-1918, Rutherford and seven associates found themselves in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia.

But with Judge Rutherford and his associates in prison, what happened to the operation of headquarters?

Keeping the Home Fires Burning

Back in Brooklyn an Executive Committee was appointed to take charge of the work. A chief concern of the brothers appointed was to keep The Watch Tower in circulation. The Bible Students everywhere certainly needed all the spiritual encouragement that could be given them. In fact, during this entire “testing season,” not one issue of The Watch Tower failed to appear in print!

What was the spirit at headquarters? Thomas (Bud) Sullivan, who later served as a member of the Governing Body, recalled: “It was my privilege to visit Brooklyn Bethel in the late summer of 1918 during the brothers’ incarceration. The brothers in charge of the work at Bethel were in no wise fearful or downhearted. In fact, the reverse was true. They were optimistic and confident that Jehovah would give his people the victory ultimately. I was privileged to be at the breakfast table on Monday morning when the brothers sent out on weekend appointments gave their reports. A fine picture of the situation was obtained. In every case the brothers were confident, waiting for Jehovah to direct their activities further.”

Many problems, however, were encountered. World War I was still raging. There were shortages of paper supplies and coal, which were vitally needed for the work at headquarters. With patriotism at fever pitch, there was considerable animosity against the Society; the Bible Students were viewed as traitors. Under these extreme circumstances, it appeared impossible to continue operations at Brooklyn. So, the Executive Committee, after consulting with other brothers, sold the Brooklyn Tabernacle and closed the Bethel Home. On August 26, 1918, the operations were transferred back to Pittsburgh to an office building at Federal and Reliance streets.

Nevertheless, a good spirit prevailed. Martha Meredith recalled: “We in Pittsburgh got together and decided we were going to keep ‘the home fires burning’ until the brethren got out of prison. At that time the Brooklyn office was moved to Pittsburgh, so the brethren got busy writing articles for The Watch Tower and had it printed. When The Watch Towers were ready to be sent out, we sisters wrapped them and sent them out to the people.”

The Bible Students had faced some severe trials since the Gentile Times had ended in the fall of 1914. Could they continue to survive? Did they really have ‘the love of God in their hearts’ or not? Would they firmly hold on to “the Lord and His Truth,” as Russell had cautioned, or would they let go?

*** jv 70 6 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***
Victims of Clergy-Inspired Persecution

By the middle of 1918, J. F. Rutherford and seven of his associates were in prison—victims of clergy-inspired opposition. But those eight men were not the only targets of such hatred. During earlier years it had been C. T. Russell who was primarily the object of attack by the clergy and the press. Now the Bible Students themselves were victims. “The Golden Age” (now “Awake!”) of September 29, 1920, published a graphic, extensive report of vicious persecution they endured in the United States. It read like something out of the Inquisition. Included were the following accounts:

“April 22, 1918, at Wynnewood, Oklahoma, Claud Watson was first jailed and then deliberately released to a mob composed of preachers, business men and a few others that knocked him down, caused a negro to whip him and, when he had partially recovered, to whip him again. They then poured tar and feathers all over him, rubbing the tar into his hair and scalp.”

“April 29, 1918, at Walnut Ridge, Arkansas, W. B. Duncan, 61 years of age, Edward French, Charles Franke, a Mr. Griffin and Mrs. D. Van Hoesen were jailed. The jail was broken into by a mob that used the most vile and obscene language, whipped, tarred, feathered and drove them from town. Duncan was compelled to walk twenty-six miles [42 km] to his home and barely recovered. Griffin was virtually blinded and died from the assault a few months later.”

“April 30, 1918, . . . at Minerva, Ohio, S. H. Griffin was first jailed and then released to a mob, then lectured fifteen minutes by the minister, then struck repeatedly, cursed, kicked, trodden upon, threatened with hanging and with drowning, driven from town, spit upon, tripped repeatedly, jabbed repeatedly with an umbrella, forbidden to ride, followed five miles to Malvern, Ohio, rearrested, jailed for safety at Carrollton and finally taken home by brave and faithful officials who, after examining his literature, said, in so many words, ‘We find no fault in this man.’”

*** jv 69 6 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***
‘No Men on Earth More Highly Favored’

On June 21, 1918, J. F. Rutherford and several of his close associates were sentenced to 20 years’ imprisonment, having been falsely convicted of conspiracy. Their feelings? In a handwritten note dated June 22-23 (shown below), from the Raymond Street jail in Brooklyn, New York, Brother Rutherford wrote: “There are probably no men on earth today more highly favored and who are happier than the seven brethren now in prison. They are conscious of their entire innocence of intentional wrongdoing, and rejoice to be suffering with Christ for loyally serving Him.”

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Witnesses just came at my door!!!!!

by gilwarrior in

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holy crap!

i was surfing through this site when i hear a knock at my door.

no, it can't!

DakotaRed

Am I the only dirty-minded individual who saw the obvious sexual reference in the thread title? All I have to say is that preaching would be a lot more popular to JWs if they got to do that...

I wouldn't have a problem with that, provided, of course, that they wash off the walk afterwards. Hell, if they are good looking enough, I just might join in with them.

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My story is to long to tell......

by zugzzwan in

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i am new to this forum but i have for the past several days been reading posts from people that for the first time in 26 years have pasts, memories and feelings like my self.

suffice to say that i too was born and raised in "the truth".

i have at one time or another been, a ms, a vacation pioneer, a regular pioneer, a disfellowship individual, a re-instated individual, publicly reproved, privately reproved and finally for the past 7 years a man who they don't even come on my property cause he's a nut who might shoot you and will at the very least call the police and have you arrested for trespassing individual.. unlike so many others though i find no personal desire to rant or rage against the machine.

DakotaRed

Like you, I believe my address is listed as a "do not call" on the territory card. The last dubs that called came by early Saturday morning, when I went to the store. The wife identified herself as a dub herself (can't convince her she is being led around by a ring in her nose). As soon as I arrived, apparently a moment after they arrived, I greeted them. Obviously, they had forgot not to call on my house as they mumbled something in return as they ran down my driveway hoding their heads down.

They must have been new as I didn't recognize them from the Kingdom Hall. I have to chuckle, though, I don't even own a gun anymore. What would I do, sic my toy poodle on them???

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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What is you occupation

by Beans in

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im a liceinced electrician now working in wireless communication installations.i love the electrical industry,there is so much to learn and so many different things do work with and technology is always changing.never a boaring day especially when we are working in the office buildings downtown,chicks everywhere!.

beans.

DakotaRed

I used to be a Car Mechanic, but now, we are known as Automotive Technicians. 35 years experience, except for 8 years in the US Army as a Helicopter Crewcheif/mechanic. I've been with my current employer, a local Dodge dealer, for over 12 years now.

My next agenda, retirement! I would do it now, except that I have all these bad habits....... roof over my head, clothes on my back, food in my belly.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Don't want to stumble anyone!

by Beck_Melbourne in

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did you have narrow minded turds as elders/overseers in your congregation?

yup so did i...they're everwhere.. "there was this one time..at band camp"....it was in a hired hall actually...where we used to organise congregation functions like farewells etc.

this usually consisted of food...non alcoholic beverages...and some entertainment...usually square dancing and some skits...and a presentation or speech.. at one function a particular elder was offended that the 'gay gordon' was one of the dances for the evening...so he promptly left...yup...at the next function it was renamed the 'happy gordon'...as his conscience wouldn't allow him to attend otherwise.

DakotaRed

Numerous times, elders stumbled me. When I informed them of how I felt and why I was avoiding them and the Kingdom Hall, all I heard was how my absence was stumbling them. Last I heard, not one of them has DA'd, but I did. I figure my DAing must have not only stumbled them, it should have stomped them into the ground. At least, I can hope, can't I?

I do remember a talk at a Special Assembly where the speaker, I believe a guest speaker from bethel, brought out that if you are stumbled by an elder, then it is all your fault anyway. I do believe that was the last Assembly I attended.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?