the science is settled.
special interests do not want you to think that it is.
"in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.
100 miles by 100 miles is ten thousand, 10,000 square miles.
Delivery would be a real problem, but what if they had 500 or 1000 of these at 10 to 20 square miles?
All forms of energy are going to present problems that will have to be lived with or overcome. Same with oil and nucleur.
Well all we can do is talk.
Brant
the science is settled.
special interests do not want you to think that it is.
"in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.
MKR
I read where a 100 mile by 100 mile square area in the US desert could provide all the necessary energy for the entire country.
Why don't they start on it?
I am sure you have seen the different comparisons on the Al Gore mansion and the western White House of Bush???
How Al Gore can carry this torch is evidence to me that this is simply a political issue that is being used against business and the US economy.
Keep up the good work.
Brant
i think most jw's expect that your world will fall apart once you leave the org.
you will start using drugs, sleeping around, tea party with demons, you know all of the typical bullshit horror stories like oh did you hear that (insert name here) left the truf, and now his wife left him, he lost his job, he is homeless and being ass raped by demons!
oh no thank jehovah we are all still in.
WELL said TC
True, Andre. But in addition, JWs also have a remarkably two-faced tendency.
If you left and aren't doing well, this is weighty evidence that Jehovah has left you, and you are reaping what you sowed.
But, if you left and are doing well, this is a pathetic example of how someone has chosen riches or pleasures over Jehovah.
I think "learning not to care what they think" is the best of all.
Circular reasoning.
But, even if you can't beat them, DON'T join them.
Brant
but woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.. it took wt 72 years to open the kingdom of heaven to anyone professing to be of the anointed.. .
until recently, a wt article a couple of years ago actually suggested that partakers check their medication to be sure they were of sound mind.. strong talks were given about the qualifications to be one of the remnant.. memorial talks spent more time on identifying the little flock than the meaning of jesus' sacrifice.. .
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Truth seeker,
What a great topic.
No joke, I am truly humbled by how damn smart and tuned in some of you folks are.
Great Scripture, and makes absolute sense.
When I was young, 20 and 21, I was in prison for the draft. I studied over 2000 hours in one year out of the JW library that had accumulated at the prison for several decades.
I was truly on a spiritual 'high', and sometimes at night I would wonder whether or not I should partake of the emblems. The WT was clear that the door was shut in 1935, but I felt like an adopted son of God. But I gave in. For years I would nearly cry inside at Memorials as I felt like I should partake, but I didn't. They shut the heavens up to me.
Now, I realize that the WT never had a link to God or Heaven and I should have partaken back then. I partake now, not in recognition that I am going to heaven or part of a special class of people, but because I have accepted Christ as my SAVIOR. Where I spend eternity is not mine to take.
But---I sure enjoyed your post and your reasoning.
Brant
the science is settled.
special interests do not want you to think that it is.
"in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.
MKR
you wrote:On a serious note, to do any sort of accurate study on the temperature of the entire planet would be more involved, time consuming and costly than any other scientific study in the history of mankind. It would take a couple thousand years and our great great great (times 10) grandkids would probably sit around their computers and have this exact same argument. Wouldn't it be BETTER to spend that money investing in large solar and wind farms instead of continuing to pollute on the off chance that we are or are not part of the problem??
Mkr-- I REALLY agree with your comment above!
As a matter of fact I have a solar and wind power magazine upstairs that I am reading. When I build again, I hope to use some of the new technology.
To be really truthful, I am 61. If the US and general motors, ford etc would have begun developing a solar powered vehicle when I was a kid, we would be free of the need for foreign oil. BUT, until they find a way to TAX us on energy from the Sun, we won't be seeing it.
Did you know that in a square 3 feet by 3 feet in direct sunlight that the sun provides 55 horsepower!!!???
I truly don't think man is changing the climate, but agree with you that alternative sources for energy are a good idea. Not the Ethanol shit either. What a crock.
Brant
after today i really have to tell you that it was so sweet to come here and see that i had something that someone likes.
i needed that.
i can say for everything you like, there is something in each one of you i am sure i see that i admire back and if not, i have not yet spent any time with you.
Sparkplug,
you wrote of yourself:
Well that’s me.I have and continue to grow accustom to myself.Good and bad, This is what I am made of and from and each day it a test of my self getting on my everloving nerves.To sum it all up, I found these few quotes and I think they state exactly where I am in life right now. "If you haven't wept deeply, you haven't begun to meditate." "The only reason we don't open our hearts and minds to other people is that they trigger confusion in us that we don't feel brave enough or sane enough to deal with. To the degree that we look clearly and compassionately at ourselves, we feel confident and fearless about looking into someone else's eyes." Ajhan Chah
I just wanted to express to you how much I agree with your statement above. You are a real sparkplug!
Brant
the recent thread about the 1975 after effects (fall off in members) got me to thinking about the ratio of hardcore, "can't kill 'em with a stick", witnesses to the marginal, "spiritually weak", followers.
for all the backtracking and double talk old freddy caused the gb with his 1975 'vision', they learned a lot about the make up of their followers and were reassured that they have a hardcore majority base that will always be there.
my guess is it is around 80/20.
Garybus wrote: I think there's a distinction between belief and compliance but not a difference. I don't CARE how many believe . . . How many comply? I see 100% complying.
Belief doesn't hurt them or us. Compliance and support does. I see support and compliance without belief and support and compliance with belief all accomplishing the exact same thing.
I agree with GB. I don't think that more than 30% really are true dyed in the wool believers, but I think there is a huge number who do not believe and yet comply, because they either lack the strength of character to admit they have been fooled, or because they realize they have fallen for a line and don't want to deal with losing their family and friends.
Brant
UH?????
Maybe a practicing JW??
Joke
Brant
never f(*&^%$ mind.
i wanted to show you a cute picture.
open thread!
couldn't open it.
MOMZ thanx for the Christmas Card
Brant and Karen
with in the next week and a half(maybe sooner) there is going to be a very insightful post about the borg.
merry christmas every one, and a happy new year.
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JUDAH BEN SCHROEDER has become a governing body member following his successful bar exam and appointment to the New York Supreme Court.
He issued a letter of gratitude to all those rank and file who donated their children's inheritance money to him for his college education. He promises to rule Jehovah's Witnesses with the same loving concern as did his father the late, great Prince Albert Schroeder.
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