@BlackSheep - I agree with you. Too much is being read into the letter. I think it just means info identifying the publishers of the magazines. You know all that crap at the bottom bout who is the president, secretary and the copyright info........
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Extra Extra read all about it. Study Article PDF to be posted on www.jw.org
by jah1914 injust got this excerpt from a friend who is an elder all excited about how jah's people are using technology.
guess we won't have to provide links anymore.. excerpt:.
we are pleased to inform you that the study articles in the english edition of the watch-tower will be made available as pdf files in the public area of the jw.org web site.
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Extra Extra read all about it. Study Article PDF to be posted on www.jw.org
by jah1914 injust got this excerpt from a friend who is an elder all excited about how jah's people are using technology.
guess we won't have to provide links anymore.. excerpt:.
we are pleased to inform you that the study articles in the english edition of the watch-tower will be made available as pdf files in the public area of the jw.org web site.
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@Yadda Yadda\@Ynot - It was a letter to the BOE. I saw the letter he showed it to me early because he said it will be posted on the information board anyway. I have key to the KH(I am still a JW....[pause for appropriate gasps and sounds of displeasure]) and made a copy. It doesn't seem like you can add attachments here or I would post it. I'm not that technically savvy. If you want to provide an e-mail address I can send it to I will.
I think this is a natural progression and eventually in more affluent countries WTS will take this approach. If you think about it they have been setting this up for a couple of years with the Memorial Invitations and Meeting Invitations:
1. Make arrangements with local printers(Office Depot where I am from)
2. Make the congregations incurr the expense of printing custom labels and such.
I could easily see this as a test run to them eventually saying. We will provide the study watchtower electronically, but each congregation is responsible for printing enough copies for the local congregration via the deals they have worked out with printing chains like Office Depot. Get way to shift costs. They currently do this with many of the forms as well. It is recommended that we download the PDF and print it using a local supplier.
They have got to see the vast difference between magazines ordered and magazines place in more affluent areas.
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Extra Extra read all about it. Study Article PDF to be posted on www.jw.org
by jah1914 injust got this excerpt from a friend who is an elder all excited about how jah's people are using technology.
guess we won't have to provide links anymore.. excerpt:.
we are pleased to inform you that the study articles in the english edition of the watch-tower will be made available as pdf files in the public area of the jw.org web site.
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Just got this excerpt from a friend who is an elder all excited about how Jah's people are using technology. Guess we won't have to provide links anymore.
Excerpt:
We are pleased to inform you that the study articles in the English edition of The Watch-tower will be made available as PDF files in the public area of the jw.org Web site. This should be helpful to brothers who live in countries where their mother tongue is not spoken and who have difficulty obtaining their magazines in time for the Watchtower Study in their congregation. During the month of December 2009, English files for the issues of January 15, February 15, and March 15, 2010, will be posted on the site in two different formats. Thereafter, beginning with the issue of April 15, 2010, PDF files will be posted at the same time as the English audio files. The study articles in other languages will be added to the site as they become available. You will be able to print out the study articles in the following two formats.
The regular-size study articles for each issue will be in a single PDF file. The file will in-clude a cover sheet with the publishers’ information in the header, schedules from the original printed cover (study dates, titles, song numbers), and the “Purpose of Study Articles” text from page 2. Commercial artwork for which we do not have approval to distribute electronically will be replaced with a generic image. Also, any portion of a nonstudy article that shares the same page with part of a study article will be deleted.
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Mere Children who are Disfellowshipped
by BabaYaga inthis was inspired by another thread, where freetosee told of a young witness baptised at the tender age of 9, and disfellowshipped at age 12!!!
the mind goes wild at what a 12-year-old should ever be disfellowshipped for.
how would a kid be so unrepentant they would deserve losing their family and friends?
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Becca1 hit the nail on the head. I always quietly discourage any young child from making a decision to get baptized when they approach me. I have had a few parent ask me before why and I simply tell them essentially what Becca1 said about how old Jesus was when he made his dedication to Jehovah. However even as a child he found favor with God and men, but he still did not take the step of baptism until 30. I just ask them why do they think that is?
Don't know how many parents\kids that has helped to not make the decision too soon.
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Question for elder/ex-elders
by TweetieBird inwhy do elders, in judicial committee meetings when dealing with immorality, have to ask so many personal questions, i.e.
how many times, was oral sex involved, anal sex, how many times, etc.
is it really necessary or are the elders just getting off asking about someone else's sex life?
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Spot on Willyloman, at the end of the day it just depends on the guys in the room. That type of detail questioning never flied with me and I would always stop brothers that got to detailed.
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Circuit Assembly This Past Weekend "Safeguard Your Spirituality" -Everyone Please Enter-
by tryingtoexit inso we had our circuit assembly this past weekend, and it was the first one in my life that i told my wife i would not be attending.
we had a brief conversation on why, and she said well just go to this last one with me, and then when we can discuss what we learn and compare it to why you've been expressing your "new" feelings towards the wts.. i love my wife, and as much as i thought i was gonna hate it i decided to go.
now that i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness it really didnt bother me that nobody hardly talked to me despite me living in this same area for 4 1/2 years, everybody views me as spiritually weak because i dont go out in service, rarely attend meetings, dont comment, lesson is never underlined, so the "friends" never interact with me anyway and i'm use to it, actually that's the way i prefer it.
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I knew it was just a matter of time before they tried to crack down on the social networking thing. Me and my wife was just saying it was getting way too popular among the JWs to last.
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The End of Circuit Overseers
by scotsman inis indeed apparently nigh as another poster predicted along with the end of the weekly bs.
not sure when this should take place but i'm reliably informed by a family member that one of the uk's overseers was talking about it fairly recently.
reduced to weekend visits by an outside but local elder instead.. i have no further info..
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Was this ever confirm? I have a friend that just finished pioneer school. He said that when they got to the part about reaching out, his instructor really de-emphasized reaching out to be a CO. Disappointed he asked the CO, what he could do to reach out, the CO asked him what was his financial state. My friend told him that he had his mortgage paid off and owned a home. CO commented that my friend was very wise for having something paid off that he could come 'home too'. He said he wasn't very enthused at all, however the second instructor was just recently invited into the CO work, so if they were going to do away with it, seems like they would just limp along and not be appointing new COs.
Anyway I don't want my friend to pursue something pointless. If there are any links to confirmation that would be great.
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A question for the apologists of the Watch Tower
by Hiddenwindow indear apologists of the wt:.
i do not mean to be sarcastic of ironic, but, please, if you are so kind, respond to this question.
how do you conciliate defending the watch tower on a forum like this with the fact that, as you perfectly know, such organization bans you (if you are still in) from being part of this type of forum and would even disfellowship you for instisting in being here?.
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I'm not an apologist\lurker, my biography states what I am, I know this will get me 'tared and feathered' but here goes.
Doesn't freedom of speech include the possibility that someone, whatever their reason, may choose not to speak? I mean wouldn't someone have the 'right' to say anything including nothing to some people if they choose? So perhaps the lurkers are exercising their right:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Declaration of Independence -
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New meeting phone conference system?
by greenhornet ini went over to a some older stay at home jws.
it was time for the meeting.
they called a local phone #.
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Our hall has the same thing. I'm sure it at least records the phone# of the person that dials in. Most phone systems do, probably nothing sinister going on.
We've always had some type of telephone hook-up, but this was always each congregations responsibility(or congregations if many shared one hall) and was negotitated with the phone company directly. Now(at least in our area) all tele-conferencing is handled by some brothers company and each congregation must pay for the service. If a remember when I audited the congregation accounts it like $52 a month. Imagine the passive-income that brother is making off of the friends. I don't know how I feel about this, especially since you always here on the platform, "Be careful when entering into business dealings with the friends"
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Help needed: Killing the 'The light gets brighter' argument?
by jah1914 inso after the revelation study last night where the paragraph was talking about how russell's interpertation of revelation basically didn't work and got discarded, my wife comments with the same old,"the light gets brigther, that's why i respect fds because at least they will change when they figure out something is wrong.
" (insert vomit here) afterwards, me and the book study conductor(i have to at least give him credit, he is someone i can talk to freely about my questions and he has not,as of yet, turned me in) got into a discussion of what 'the light gets brighter' really means.
he basically says so the brothers have made changes, so what?
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Thanks all who responded, you make some good points. I think Gopher hit a good chord when he said the illustration starts with so many assumptions, assumptions that many of you pointed out has a false premise. The illustration was carefully crafted to prove his point, but was not necessarily a realistic picture of how the FDS operates. He probably was just trying to stump me back for an illustration I stumped him on after the KM about not studying outside material. It's almost like a game we are playing and I think that is why he hasn't said, "Hey you sound like an apostate...."
In my illustration I asked him, if a doctor diagnosised him with a terrible disease and he as the patient wasn't sure he had the symptoms would he seek a second opinion? Of course he answered yes, to which I replied, "Would you go to the same doctor that had just given you the first opinion?" Again, he answered, "No that would be stupid." I said then why would the FDS try to deny a christian the right to ask a second opinion of someone(via non-JW study material) if the christian did not fully believe the 'diagnosis' given to them? Especially since they themselves(FDS) glean 'the truth' from these sources? I'm still waiting on an answer to that one.
I will try to combine the best of your arguments and talk with him next Tuesday.
Thanks to all who included scriptures as well. I haven't had much experience in refuting a religious viewpoint without use the scriptures. I found that if you don't at least attempt to use the scriptures, any conversation quickly breaks down into 'reasonings that get you know where'.
Thanks again.......it's good to have a resource like this. I'm still a christian in association with JW's, but there's nothing wrong with getting a second opinion........