Posts by wozadummy

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Voting at meetings

by wozadummy in

years ago when i went to meetings there were announcements made about use of money ,whether to redecorate halls, send money to the society etc.

and i used to vote like everyone else looking around to see if there were any detractors.

well one day i had thought about the procedure and came up with this:.

Hi Blondie ,you are right some things are paid for like utilities without a vote and that was the thing, why not all things?, for the account balance and expense details are always presented from the platform once a month anyway so everyone would know where the dollars go.

My perspective was from back then when I trusted the Society to see to ALL things as being in the best interest of the publishers. Since then I have found how corrupt it all is and don't attend but I believe this all shows how God is not backing them and it was maybe one more doubt that over the years contributed to me leaving

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Voting at meetings

by wozadummy in

years ago when i went to meetings there were announcements made about use of money ,whether to redecorate halls, send money to the society etc.

and i used to vote like everyone else looking around to see if there were any detractors.

well one day i had thought about the procedure and came up with this:.

wozadummy

Years ago when I went to meetings there were announcements made about use of money ,whether to redecorate halls, send money to the Society etc. and I used to vote like everyone else looking around to see if there were any detractors. Well one day I had thought about the procedure and came up with this:

1. Everyone seems to vote the way that's obvious as it would seem disloyal to vote any other way

2. Is'nt this a non political org and yet here we are voting democratically - if indeed this is Gods org why would we need to vote over money as the Elders should be trusted to manage these minor things especially in view of the fact that they are appointed to deal with peoples LIVES and emotions to the point of making grevious errors in some cases, where is the consistency?

I stopped voting for these reasons and explained this if queried by others but they always went quiet, what are your thoughts?

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Bad, bad Brother W.!

by Virgochik in

i am out on sick leave from work today, but a friend called me at home to say there was a big scene made at the office!.

brother w., an employee, went off on his supervisor, and called her a b*tch in front of onlookers, including the union steward!

it will be hard for the union to defend this.

wozadummy

He was at work one day and he just blew up ,and lost his job, and now Pioneers ,and will feature at the assembly,and is'nt it marvelous how Gods spirit works!!?

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Placed 6 magazines this morning

by stillajwexelder in

just thought i would let you all know, that as part of my ongoing theocratic warfare strategy i placed 6 magazines this morning.

i will be recording about 20 on my time slip though

wozadummy

How about getting DF'd and THEN put in a regular fat report!!!

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Just emailed Silent Lambs of Pedophiles in South Oz

by wozadummy in

jw
friends

thanks for the boot up the bum misspeaches.

come on australia email silent lambs with alleged pedophiles you know of and their congregation.

if they get a decent response it will be a great aid to protecting children .

wozadummy

Thank you Wanda

My first post may have appeared that I meant to name people but no ,by using the word "alledged" I was only using a term that is used legally .

In these sorts of cases there are many people accused ,some admit but most don't and until a case is proven beyond a doubt legally it is proper to use the term "alledged" which I have done. But that does not mean an accused perpetrator is innocent because we see on the news stories of people who have committed crimes ,been seen by many witnesses, and yet is still veiwed as "alledged" until a courts decision.

The thing is to a victim or victims who have directly been molested there is no Alledged just a PERPETRATOR and this is where we and my wife are coming from - WE HAVE the right and authority by virtue of being victims to speak out even if not naming the perps but put their location forward to Silent Lambs .In the Org a committee of say three is set up and NO_ONE else is told not even the other Elders. In a congregation where trust and brotherly love is to be displayed it is far from the average publishers mind that Perpetrators exist in their congo.

I can see it damaging to innocents to be maligned if they are innocent and in no way would I like to see an unjust thing happen to any JW BUT this sort of thing is rare whereas molestation is'nt. We have experienced many stories of molestation but have not spoken out because we are not involved personally but have advised them disceetly when asked.

Two Elders used this excuse why the Org takes no action against alledged molesters -"What iff we accused someone who was innocent?" My reply was as stated above that it is rare and if they were any sort of Elders they should know the appearence of the flock and if an accuser seemed vindictive and had personnal vendettas etc in the past that should alert them to have doubts.

So what do they really mean then! Here we have 99 victims (Genuine) and one fake so we just ignore the lot!!!?

It is sad that his world is so complex especially in the secretiveness of moletation ,but where people know for sure like us what has transpired we have to speak out, and this we have done and we will be cut off from the JW"s soon for sure like so many others .

Those who have been effected I ask to speak here in Oz to alert others of a growing problem and protect by knowlege not protect the guilty like the governing body-check out the letter to the body of elder in England and see what I mean (BOE June1 2001) They there state as long as Bethel says it's OK a Elder or MS who is a molester from years previous can ,if apparently not doing any bad acts currently, continue on and if they move the new congo is not to be informed of his crime.!

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Ever BUILD a Kingdom Hall?

by Gregor in

i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.

i loved it.

once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.

wozadummy

Worked on many years ago and had a funny time with one brother when we worked on country hall.

He towed his caravan to the site and we slept in it over the quick build weekend. On Saturday night we were in the van and both got our harmonicas out and played some tunes .

But when we played "When the saints come marching in" we got a knock on the door by Elder Righteous condemning us and saying we would have to move of the quick build site if we continued! He just left and we burst out laughing and the rest of the weekend he was like the Gestapo with us but we had fun!

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Just emailed Silent Lambs of Pedophiles in South Oz

by wozadummy in

jw
friends

thanks for the boot up the bum misspeaches.

come on australia email silent lambs with alleged pedophiles you know of and their congregation.

if they get a decent response it will be a great aid to protecting children .

wozadummy

Don't worry Ozzie I won't name anyone or publish congos here, it is'nt the appropriate place for that ! Dam you must be a Kiwi to react like that!

I just want to do my bit and maybe encourage others ,it is a relevant topic for this forum is'nt it?

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Just emailed Silent Lambs of Pedophiles in South Oz

by wozadummy in

jw
friends

thanks for the boot up the bum misspeaches.

come on australia email silent lambs with alleged pedophiles you know of and their congregation.

if they get a decent response it will be a great aid to protecting children .

wozadummy

Thanks for the boot up the bum MISSPEACHES

Come on Australia email Silent Lambs with alleged Pedophiles you know of and their congregation

If they get a decent response it will be a great aid to protecting children

not

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Do Mormons have a more intellectually substantial belief system than JWs?

by slimboyfat in

that seems to be the implication in a new evangelical response to mormonism called "the new mormon challenge: responding to the latest defenses of a fast-growing movement.".

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/asin/0310231949/qid%3d1142896789/202-9316169-3351050.

this books presents a sophisticated response from serious scholars in fields of theological and religious studies who bring their expertise to bear on controversial mormon truth claims.

wozadummy

Here's what I remember from being a baptised mormon ,

Missionaries were once only American men ,well educated

They encourage education

Tithe 10% ,when I was a kid mother was a mormon dad not, he had a strike at work for ages and we were literally eating donated dog bones from the butcher, no help from the church, but I remember standing next to Mother and two elders with an envelope asking for the 10% from her house keeping accrued since the strike started.

They molest kids just the same

All but one missionary who used to visit us retuned to the USA and became bi-sexual or homosexual

Negro people could not marry in the Temple ,or marry whites(looked down upon), had "the mark" so indeed were inferior to others

Baptise at age 8!

Males could do talks and sacraments at age 12

Only missionaries for 2 years then go back and get scholarships etc

60 minutes did a program on homosexual mormon men and the methods of ridding them by torture of their tendencies- attaching electric charging to their genitals whilst watching porno movies

Book of mormon-started history of writing about 600bc yet direct quotes from the King James bible are in it in the olde english which was only written 400 years ago !

I don't know whether they are REALLY that exceptional morally or INTELLECTUALLY

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So how were Adam and Eve different from us?

by upside/down in

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da bible says that they could'nt eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad.... so did they not know "good from bad"?

and if that's the case... there is no "sin"...as without knowledge there is no wrongdoing (so says paul).. wacky xtians and their wacky deities.... u/d.

wozadummy

Adam said "How come the mutant has lost her bits?"

Eve said "He's got three legs!"