On the way out Well the problem I have here is not that she confessed ,it's the fact that only one person went to see her and it is the testimony of ONLY that person to the congregation that he witnessed what he did and it is ONLY his testament that says she wanted to DA that is inconsistent. It could be argued that she herself is a witness in the sense because of her apparent confession. We only have his word to go on here as regards the protection of the congregation. What if he pitied my circumstances so much that he fibbed abit to get her announced as removed from the congo, she would'nt know for she had no contact with other witnesses anymore? I guess this can happen and it played on my mind a bit over the years whether I had really been freed up scriptually to remarry from Gods standpoint.Does this make it clearer?
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Inconsistency of 2 Witness rule
by wozadummy ini want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
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Can someone post quotes on Jesus only being mediator for 144000?
by megsmomma inpleeeeaaaaasssseeee?????
pretty please????.
i tried to get the cd-rom download, but it didn't work for me....any tips?.
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Auld soul Moses was the mediator for mankind in general, for any who chose to enter into that mediated relationship. Jesus is the mediator for mankind in general, for any who choose to enter into that mediated relationship. According to the Bible, anyway. Good point ,the "mixed "company that left Egypt was inclusive of Egyptians too not just Hebrews, they partook of Moses leadership and were blessed the same when going to the promised land
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Inconsistency of 2 Witness rule
by wozadummy ini want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
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I want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker JW's as something to think about. Witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a JW pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not. This protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought Gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook. Well how is it that if ,say ,a man cheats on his wife and she is suspicious she calls on a elder to say she suspects her husband of adultery and his car will be parked at a certain womans address ,and it turns out the car is there all night, this is enough evidence to DF him for adultery. There is no consistency with the 2 witness rule especially if only one elder is witness to this and yet judicial commitees can start over this and perhaps a DF'ing. Let me provide a real life experience that I know is true because it happened to me. My first wife commited adultery just before she became a pioneer and kept it a secret from me for two years. When she told me we contacted an elder and he ALONE came and counselled her and told me no action would be taken against her for she had proven by her full on witnessing work that she was genuinely repentant, but as far as I know he did inform at least some of the elder body. Fast forward 5 years and she announces she's leaving me and the kids and moves into a unit on her own as far as I knew. My daughter stays some nights with her and I continue to pick her up for meetings,and then my daughter says to me that her mother has a male freind and also I should consider getting an AIDS blood test .Well this blew me away especially coming from a 13 year old! Some time had past since she had left us so I passed on this info about the other man to the same elder mentioned before who was the congregation overseer and urged him to go and catch her out as I was tired of the witness rule being unable to remarry for there was no proof of my exwifes infidelity unless the elders had proof. So off the elder goes on HIS OWN to see her and she DA's herself on the spot(I guess she admitted to adultery but I don't know for sure, but i was permitted to remarry). Well this releases me from the marraige according to the Watchtower ,but this is inconsistant is'nt it...a molested child needs 2 witnesses to disgusting events but an adulterer only needs ONE according to this real life experience! Are there other people who have noticed this inconsistency as well by their experiences?
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2006 SERVICE REPORT - Feb 1, 2007 WT
by Mary ini'm not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here are the figures for the 2006 service report.
i highlighted the countries that have either a "0" or negative growth in yellow and i highlighted key countries where the you would expect more growth......i tried looking for england's stats, but i couldn't see it.
i looked under "england" and "united kingdom" but i can't see it.
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Oh poop I tried hard to get it right this time
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2006 SERVICE REPORT - Feb 1, 2007 WT
by Mary ini'm not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here are the figures for the 2006 service report.
i highlighted the countries that have either a "0" or negative growth in yellow and i highlighted key countries where the you would expect more growth......i tried looking for england's stats, but i couldn't see it.
i looked under "england" and "united kingdom" but i can't see it.
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Poland is interesting,more gone than was baptised! What has happened to Japan ,I remember for years the huge growth and at circuit or district assemlies we would have the guilt dumped on us about the massive quantity of Pioneers there and lines like this...."No brothers it's NOT why you should pioneer, but it's what reason have you got for NOT pioneering?!" And what's this increase of over 200 more annointed? there must be alot naughty geriatrics partying too hard and needing to get replaced
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2006 SERVICE REPORT - Feb 1, 2007 WT
by Mary ini'm not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here are the figures for the 2006 service report.
i highlighted the countries that have either a "0" or negative growth in yellow and i highlighted key countries where the you would expect more growth......i tried looking for england's stats, but i couldn't see it.
i looked under "england" and "united kingdom" but i can't see it.
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Poland is interesting,more gone than was baptised! What has happened to Japan ,I remember for years the huge growth and at circuit or district assemlies we would have the guilt dumped on us about the massive quantity of Pioneers there and lines like this...."No brothers it's NOT why you should pioneer, but it's what reason have you got for NOT pioneering?!" And what's this increase of over 200 more annointed? there must be alot naughty geriatrics partying too hard and needing to get replaced
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Apology to all
by wozadummy inthis is an apology to all for my recent posts, i did'nt mean to upset anyone .
just coping with leaving the org ,and the past ,and trying to support my wife who, as some know from my prevoius posts has tried to deal with her pedophile elder(past) father for many years now thru the org ,and then being badly treated by them and her large extended family (most are witnesses and are trying to silence her), made me hit rock bottom.
we are now taking action via the police and court system and she is barely coping ,and me being bi-polar does'nt help matters much and i fell into to an unreal state for a while as we don't have much support of any kind.
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This is an apology to all for my recent posts, I did'nt mean to upset anyone . Just coping with leaving the org ,and the past ,and trying to support my wife who, as some know from my prevoius posts has tried to deal with her pedophile Elder(past) father for many years now thru the org ,and then being badly treated by them and her large extended family (most are witnesses and are trying to silence her), made me hit rock bottom. We are now taking action via the police and court system and she is barely coping ,and me being bi-polar does'nt help matters much and I fell into to an unreal state for a while as we don't have much support of any kind. I guess those that suffer this disorder may understand what I'm tring to say. Any way I'm a bit better now and came back from the brink again of checking out. Again thanks for opportunity to apologise and I'll still follow this site with interest and learn alot and be encouraged but I'll try to be more balanced in the future by filtering my scrambled thoughts. Steve
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Thanks all now I'm leaving
by wozadummy indue to funkyderek i have come to the decision to leave this board.
when i posted on the current gay thread in a way that i thought would stimulate thinking and lighten up the seriosness of the thread and have a laugh, he and others put me down publically labelling me.
so i find it difficult now to continue posting knowing that someone has influenced others into thinking that i'm not worthy of being here because my phrasing and spelling is bad and that i'm apparently a "hyporite".
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Due to FUNKYDEREK I have come to the decision to leave this board. When I posted on the current gay thread in a way that I thought would stimulate thinking and lighten up the seriosness of the thread and have a laugh, he and others put me down publically labelling me. So I find it difficult now to continue posting knowing that someone has influenced others into thinking that I'm not worthy of being here because my phrasing and spelling is bad and that I'm apparently a "hyporite". I don't think I'm a bigot and hypocrite and I think I have lived long enough to learn to get along with others ,especially gays since they were part of my mothers social life as I was growing up and I got to know them and my own thinking as regards them. Despite being raped by one once when a child I see them as human beings with no less right to life than I do, for that was only one individual was'nt it? Men have raped women but that does'nt mean all men are the same does it? I was molested by my mother for years but that does'nt make all mothers perverts, and that is what we all learn in life I think. I certainly hope FUNKY reads the forum guidelines again and contributes positively in the future more posts and I would like to thank especially AlanF, Leolai, Auld soul and others for helping me break free from the JW's with their intelligent well researched comments. I have been really helped here as I've been trying for most of my life to overcome the past with phsychiatric help and the common spirit shown to me here by some has helped me in my quest for peace, but unfortunately some people have difficulty understanding others and how they try to express themselves. I never thought I would cry over this but it's like leaving freinds. Best wishes to all Steve
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Gays Leave JWD!
by hambeak ini got a phone call from a person that i gave my phone # to.
and this person said that gays are not welcome here and this is not what this board was really about.
i told them that this is only one part of the crap that the wts did to people and that we are people too.
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Ah I'm sorry FUNKY you've gone to so much trouble trying to put me down but I'm afraid my post was supposed to have a funny wink thingy on the end but since I've changed browsers I could'nt do that ,and I thought people might still pick up on my comments as a joke but it seems FUNKY that you've shown to me at least that you have let emotions lead your thinking and now you've publicly put me down the same as others put down gays. I'm sorry this has happened but I'll try to learn to spell better and use my computer better if you'll be more tolerant of me. Respectfully Steve
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As a DUB, what did you do and hid so as not to stumble anyone?
by megsmomma ini was thinking of all the "concious matters" that you could do if you wanted, but would not tell anyone so you wouldn't get in "trouble".
one thing that came to my mind is when after having my baby, i wanted to join weight watchers...there were two meeting places to choose from...one close to me and in a church....and one quite far not in a church.
well, i went to the one in the church, always worried someone would see me(but i didn't really think it was a big deal) so, what did you all hide?
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What a good topic!
Years ago my family and another would go windsurfing and we would to try and keep it quiet for we knew ones would condemn us "Oh they should use that time with their children in the service "
Well on one Sunday morning we arranged to go again after the meeting ,but my dear freind decided to save time and brought all the windsurfing gear on top of his car and parked it in the KH carpark during the meeting!
Well that did'nt go down to well as we were ministerial servants and the field service group met in the car park after the meeting!!lol