Finally Free
Are you still trying to break free?
We just had a flock of your sqwarking relatives fly over
so i was thinking - if i don't da myself and they don't df me, am i doomed forever to this limbo called "fade?
" when do i stop worrying about "what if they find out?
" when will they (if they saw me) just think of me as someone they knew, rather than "one of their flock" - even when they know i'm inactive?
Finally Free
Are you still trying to break free?
We just had a flock of your sqwarking relatives fly over
so i was thinking - if i don't da myself and they don't df me, am i doomed forever to this limbo called "fade?
" when do i stop worrying about "what if they find out?
" when will they (if they saw me) just think of me as someone they knew, rather than "one of their flock" - even when they know i'm inactive?
Finally-Free....."are basing your conclusion on something you know nothing about. Only an idiot does that. "
Wow another stirring compasionate comment...funny about your name , it seems to indicate a bit of time involved in leaving yourself
Maybe you need a name change.....Finally F****ed
yesterday pm while on gabbly two jw's came into my shop (former customers) with an overheating problem.. they saw my other copy of coc.
i asked what can we do for you?
they both were staring at the book, i noticed the car was spewing steam and coolant.
Jeez I can see this story becoming a theocratic myth story now at the KH
It might go something like this...........
While in the field service ,all day, we had trouble with the car and the CO said pull into this auto repair shop
We sought out the mechanics help and he told us it would cost alot of money to repair ,we pleaded with him to assist us as we only had so much money....but he refused to lower his price.
What were we to do, maybe prayer to Jehovah would help get us to the Kingdom Hall so the Circuit brother could encourage the brothers there
Ah but just then one of the brothers noticed evil apostate literature on the mechanics counter
Yes the Circuit Overseer said we must leave here ,this literature is a sign from Jah that we must seek out another mechanic ,and perhaps we will get a discount and get to the meeting on time.......and of course we did praise Jah you people
And the carpets of the KH are soaked............
Hambeak you were the only one involved who acted in a proper business like manner!
since the wts speaks so beamingly about ,and quotes never endingly solomons writings, we should consider it possible that ,since solomon died apparently as an apostate that perhaps ray franz and we too may get everlasting life and he may even be quoted one day.
this would be consistant would'nt it?
what say ye?
Thanks for the replies
To me I've always puzzled why JW's never seem to question the WTS about Solomons infidilities as they focus on his writings instead and don't want to seem to dwell on the awkward questions like whether he will be ressurected and then, does this lead to direction from the bible as to whether DF'd people of our age will be treated the same as Solomon if they die before Armaggedon?.
That's why I raised this as they are'nt consistant....they glorify Solomon seeming to ignore his end and yet , someone like Ray Franz for instance who was also prominent in their history is ignored totally as if dead and yet he contributed so much to them.
Amongst witnesses there is confusion over their own view of the dead as to whether DF'd will be ressurected......it's like we'll have to wait and see. And yet some are vehement that they won't come back, has anyone noticed this?
Steve
since the wts speaks so beamingly about ,and quotes never endingly solomons writings, we should consider it possible that ,since solomon died apparently as an apostate that perhaps ray franz and we too may get everlasting life and he may even be quoted one day.
this would be consistant would'nt it?
what say ye?
You're right Abandoned it was tongue in cheek ......I've got to get back to Internet Explorer so I can use those smilies
since the wts speaks so beamingly about ,and quotes never endingly solomons writings, we should consider it possible that ,since solomon died apparently as an apostate that perhaps ray franz and we too may get everlasting life and he may even be quoted one day.
this would be consistant would'nt it?
what say ye?
Since the WTS speaks so beamingly about ,and quotes never endingly Solomons writings, we should consider it possible that ,since Solomon died apparently as an apostate that perhaps Ray Franz and we too may get everlasting life and he may even be quoted one day. This would be consistant would'nt it? What say Ye?
remember those jokes we heard time and time again from the platform yet still everyone got a good (fake) chuckle?
i remember hearing this one a million times: "a pioneer was stressing about which vehicle to buy for service, but remember, jesus said '"follow in my footsteps, not my tire tracks!!!
fbf.
Man they were great and I'd heard some before. Here's my contribution.... An elder giving the talk on HOSPITALITY and near the end would always quip 'Thank you for your HORSEBRUTALITY brothers!" Much to the uncomfortable subdued embarrassed guffawing from the audience.
i want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
Another related problem with my new wifes case of being molested is this... her father was brought before a judicial committee and pleaded innocence and still does to this day ,and we have many times over the years tried to get the society to act to no avail. We were sent a letter from the society saying they cannot do anything further and to leave it to Jehovah etc. BUT THE MAIN POINT THAT GRIPES ME IN THE LETTER IS THEY SAY THAT THE MATTER WAS FULLY INVESTIGATED BY THE ELDERS.......THIS AN OUTRIGHT LIE FOR THEY NEVER QUESTIONED ANY OF HER BROTHERS AND SISTERS AS TO WHETHER IT HAD HAPPENED TO THEM. One can only assume this is normal Watchtower policy that all they do is ask the perpetrator if he/she has done this or that and take no further action if the perp denies it!!
i want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
Another point to add is, when I used to attend meetings, I asked two elders visiting my new wife in my home "What iff my wifes father (who molested her for years) was convicted by a court and sent to jail ,and still maintained his innocence, would you disfellowship him because a court convicted him or would you still allow him to continue in his old congregation when he is released with minimum restrictions?" They took their time in answering and had to admit they would allow him back and not act at all judicially against him for there was no witnesses to his molesting! Of course noone would be warned of his behaviour and what he went to jail for.
Great place for truth ABONDONED that must be some sort of record ....all those posts in a short time...whew!