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  Lyman Swingle (GB) told me what would bring down the Organization!

  by new boy in

  1. jw
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  it was about 15 years ago.......... i was at a one day special event in woodburn or.

  i was talking to lyman swingle about how the society could save some money.

  it was a crazy idea ( to crazy to relate here)...............anyway he laughed and said to me.. "brother..........we have always had the money to do the things we needed to do.......and if we didn't.......we felt it was god's holy spirit telling us, it wasn't what we should be doing".......so...i said "so the money is like a barometer, no approval, no money"......he said "yea..... i guess you could say that!

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  wozadummy

  This is interesting ,going back in time there is a definite thread of measuring spiritual success by financial gain.

  What comes to my mind is the way the old time colporteurs depended on selling their books to survive ,even taking food as payment to keep their ministry going. Selling books was woven into the belief that sales = blessing.

  I can remember brothers jangling the coins in their pockets to show their success in the service of placing magazines and books. And this mentality followed on into the quick build era of the eightees when they would quote Malachi 3 : 10 "Bring all the tenth parts into the storehouse, that there may come to be food in my house,and test me out please, in this respect ,Jehovah of armies has said, "whether I shall not open to you people the floodgates of the heavens and actually empty out upon you a blessing until there is no more want" "

  So throughout the WTS history finance = blessing .This always troubled me over the years and I could not reconcile this because the congregations were in fact being coerced to dig deep for the money to give an appearence of blessing , and of course we would give money , because of the fear of failure of money coming in would be evidence of gods disfavour of the JW's in the area and this would then lead to challenging our faith , so we all felt that we had to make it work.

  The same went for quoting the financial status of assemblies at the lunch break so we would feel compelled to pay up to save face.
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  Has the number of 144,000 changed?

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  2. friends

  through out my witness life i have always believed that when the partakers at memorial went up that means.

  that some of the anoited were unfaithful and had to be replaced.

  i have beleived this for 40 years.

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  wozadummy

  Oh yee of little faith ,the explanation is obvious - the GB have been right about the prohecy of the 144,000 all the time!

  And you all are opposers of truth, and Satan has snared all of you!

  NOT!
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  NEW LIGHT ! Wedding Rings!!!!!!!!!

  by bigmouth in

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  does this sound right to you????!!!!!

  to all congregations; .

  xxxxxxxxxx .

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  wozadummy

  Hi Bigmouth

  Is this a genuine letter?

  If it is ,it's what I was expecting for many years ,and my wife and I were put thru alot of criticism for rejecting certain marraige customs when we were married ,for we said that if we were to go to extremes in practising our faith in other ways (like not taking blood etc), we should not do what scholars had pointed to as pagan like wedding customs.

  Those bastards have known all along that the scholars had pointed these things out and yet the Jw women would always go to great lengths to adopt the obviously pagan customs. It's like the GB gave the witnesses the "concession" of pagan wedding things to placate the women because they were denied all other celebrations and the fun they bring.

  I'm not pointing to women here to critisize, it's just that men tend not to get so emotionally caught up with celebration things, it's always seemed a womans domain ,especially amongst witnesses ,and the GB knows it.

  So now they change it to a disfellowshipping offence (6 months to give up rings) - they really are desperate to get the people to think that by giving up something else for pure worship ,the persecution will be worth it for Jah will be happy.! BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING FOR 130 YEARS KNOWING HOW BAD RINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ?

  This is bullshit ,so why don't they condemn wedding cakes, the waltz, the white gowns(vestal virgins my arse,I reckon most "sisters" have bonked their brains out before getting married in a holy Kingdom Hall) etc?

  Phew that felt good
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  Why Your Life Sucks, Sometimes (Awake April 2007)

  by metatron in

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  in regard to the "world is worse and worse" mindset, i recently considered the distress of some of my aging relatives.

  there are two facts.

  that quietly influence our opinions:.

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  wozadummy

  And "India is sinking into 'Western debauchery'"??? I'll have to remember that next time I watch a 'Bollywood' film that doesn't show any

  kissing!

  That made me laugh ,it's amazing to me that the WTS can look down their long noses at another country and yet they don't seem to remember that they actually rule their little kingdom of subjects from America ,the very source of the worlds present so called "Western debauchery".

  It does'nt worry them that the American nation actually provides them with the freedom they need to exercise their silly little hypocritical lives ,if the debauchery is so bad why would they want to rule from such a debauched Sodom-like country?

  Perhaps a move to India would be good for them to share the apparent innocent nature of the Indian people who are so pure and undefiled and under pressure from the wicked westerners to conform to evil. It is so evil in America that it is amazing the brothers can actually bear up with this load of having to put up with it!
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  My Bethel Experience final chapter

  by new boy in

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  there were other people who either killed themselfs or tried to kill themselfs while they were at "the house of god.

  one person who did kill himself was richard wheelock, press room overseer ......he jumped out of a window at the watchtower farm one day.......it seemed, he was never quite the same after his wife "willy" died..she seemed to be the only one that he could relate to.......which would make sence.....because he sure couldn't relate to any of us in the press room..........he would come over to our press and say "here is the work... get in out".......then just walk away.......he was not the type of person you would really want to talk to anyway......but wouldn't it be nice if just now and then, like every year or two, they might ask you how you were doing?.........you laugh.......but its true......i asked a friend of mind who was the press operator of press # 6 which at the time was one of the three biggest presses at bethel.

  he had been in the press room for 4 full years.

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  Thanks newboy for your experiences, which as an ordinary publisher ,I would never had imagined the picture you've painted.

  And also metatron for your bit about conscription ,that explained alot.

  I've only ever known one ex-bethelite ,the daughter of a "brother" I worked for once. She studied engineering and drafting because her father was a builder and got baptised late after her studies finished (she was pressured alot to get baptised) at about 20. Not long after being baptised the Australia bethel called her in to work there ,amazing is it not, don't get higher education but if ya got it we'll use you up. Other people had been slogging it out pioneering to get the "privelege" of going to bethel but were rejected, but she falls into it.She is a lovely girl though ,and when they finished their extensions at bethel out she went with a new husband.
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  The Governing Body and the Anointed

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

  if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

  why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

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  wozadummy

  misocup

  nice to meet you

  R&F rank & file

  FDS faithful and discreet slave
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  The Governing Body and the Anointed

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

  if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

  why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

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  wozadummy

  That word "collectively" is important for just taking individuals and critisizing one of that GB would not neccessarily paint the rest the same ,but what does is the effect of their cummulative power as expressed thru the org and it's teachings and subsequent dealings with the R&F .

  Sincere as they may seem individually ,the effect is what matters on peoples lives, like the policy of dealing with pedophiles has greatly affected me and my wife personally and I can't see how Jesus could ever forgive their cruelty.

  As for Franz ,well of course he could have feigned humility as this would be expected in public would'nt it ,what sort of fool would he be - he's not a politician after all.
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  The Governing Body and the Anointed

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

  if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

  why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

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  wozadummy

  I think another thing follows from this ,that Jehovah has annointed them all with his holy spirit ,supposedly ,and yet to human eyes they don't have any more special qualities than the next person.

  Admittedly alot would be old and have years of christian habits giving them good and unhypocritical natures but many "worldly" older people have the same, because of holding on to old world principles.

  Look into a crowd at an assembly and you can't pick the annointed one even if you observe a group of people for a while. So ,as the GB would have us believe, only Jehovah sees the qualities needed to have him appoint a person to part of the bride of Christ ,we are left to again believe the unseen ,yet this time it is in material people not like for instance the "invisible" coming of Christ in 1914.

  And yet today we have more and more younger people becoming annointed and they don't have any special visible qualities that make them outstanding. I've known of a couple who would be in their 60's and have claimed to be of the annointed as long as I have known of them ,and they are self righteous and arrogant ,surely not qualities god wants ,and yet I've known older other sheep that have a long record of humbleness.

  It' obvious to me that the GB won't give any special recognition to the rest of the annointed for they could come forward and point out errors in the GB's interpretation of scripture and say they have been inspired by Jehovah also which would leave the GB in a predicament would'nt it? So if they are kept in the background they do not then present a threat to the GB.

  If they make themselves exclusive they make it hard for any other annointed to crack into their power group and therefore gain complete control by intimating that the rest of the annointed are proving their annointing by humbly being quiet as a group - very clever
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  Australian Bethel Visit - I have to get this off my chest

  by wozadummy in

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  2. experiences

  i was baptized in adelaide south australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and i , along with our small children decided to go to the bethel in sydney new south wales as part of our holiday one summer.

  we camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.. when we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .we setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block i spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly.

  he then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .. of course i jumped into witness mode as i was full of "the spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and i knew i should not persue this any more - i feel so stupid now but i'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!.

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  Hi Rose Petal and welcome to JWD I'd forgotten about that beautiful timber and wondered myself about it when I saw it. Our kids were fairly small then too and we were worried they might play up when there but I think they were just a bit frightened of the place.

  We lived on the northside of Brisbane for a few years around Caboolture so maybe we have met. Anyhow welcome and enjoy your enlightenment here!
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  What a woman REALLY means!!

  by crazyblondeb in

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  i will be very honest and say, "i currently do all of these things"!!

  ) fine: this is the word women use to end an argument when they are.

  right and you need to shut up.. .

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  wozadummy

  Ah this is what makes women so alluring ,imagine if women were'nt like this we'd all be watching football or be gay!