He likes his western worshippers to have expensive Kingdom Halls and update the decor regularly, but does not require them to financially help the brothers in poor lands, they just have to put their money in a box for "The Worldwide Work"
wozadummy
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
Wants everyone to call him by name , but Jesus does'nt have to say it once in the Greek Scriptures!
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
He likes his subjects to think he protected them from a earthquake/sunami by being at a meeting at the Kingdom Hall , but keeps quiet about the brothers who died in field service hit by a car when parked on the side of the road!
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Why are JWs so disrespectful towards war veterans, etc?
by winnie ini never could understand this.
do they have no respect???.
this subject came up when my hubby was talking to his brother on the phone a couple months ago.
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wozadummy
Some good comments here ,and WINNIE is sensitized to the issue of respect here for we had the ANZAC day holiday here ,and as the old timer vets pass away it's surprising here ,to me , that so many young people are celebrating the memory of those that fought at sites like Gallipoli.
There always seems to me that there is a lack of balance when considering war and those who have fought and the reasons are as complex as life itself. There seems to be extremes in viewpoints like the JW one, and then there's the redneck patriot type, and then there's all the others in the middle troubling to polarize around the different viewpoints.
Look at Patriotism - it seems to have a life of it's own and is a result of emotions led by certain factions in the community that are justifying their agenda ,and I would say sneer equally at JW thinking as much as JW's disdain the patriotic. The faction here that has great sway with the media ,politicians etc is the Returned Soldiers League and it's usually headed by a red necked loud buffon that is desperate to paint every Australian act of war and the people that went as servicemen as just heroic and that's all. Never mind the desperately miserable failures of the leaders of the military who sent kids to be killed like at Gallipoli. These wastes of life are never honestly discussed ,it's just like all the length of a war is bundelled into one picture and let's not discect it to see if we made stupid and cruel errors ,and never ever expose what really caused this war in the first place ,but let's just focus on the ones who died bravely or came back and let time make them all heroes.
I think that's what's going on and always has ,and people are desperate to somehow justify the loss of their family members to war and the misery that follows on. That's what the other extreme viewpoint JW's only focus on ,and ignore that sometimes people have to fight to truly defend themselves and their loved ones.
When one has to decide whether to back a war ,we as citizens are fed bullshit as to the real reasons the war started and usually it took some time for the hatred to form ,and it is usually for the reasons of money,religion and politics....in other words self interest. So the Watchtower might be right to a degree but then the red neck has a genuine reason to defend if a genuine threat is imminent. But who is to say when a just war comes along? It really should be up to us as an individual and not forced on us thru politicians on the one hand or forced on us thru threat of disfellowshipping by the extreme views of a governing body of mere men.
This is my take on it ,and what has lead me to my thinking is this - My father was RAF in England in WW11 for the entire war yet he became a pacifist which I did'nt fully agree. The horror he experienced is common to many vets and perhaps his was worse than many and that may have lead him to his future opinion of war and he detested the glory painted on vets.
When I was 17 I joined the Australian Navy of the Vietnam war times at his disgust, but I went, and I really had no clue what I was getting into ,but I found out soon enough in training. So young and stupid ,like alot of others who fought and died ,but we made a decision based on ignorance of reality when we had'nt lived long enough to mature and work out who we were in life . Well when I'd done some nuclear warfare training it finally dawned on me that the weapons at our disposal were to kill ,unlike the movies, and I discovered within myself that I was not a paid killer and saw the eyes of the other side that my father told me about ,who were just people like me SO WHO THE HELL IS TELLING ME TO KILL THEM AND WHY?
No one in the service wanted to tell me and in time I resigned as a conscientious objector ,which became a war in itself. Never regretted that decision .and though many people never came back from Vietnam and I was safe ,I still have no regrets, for over time I saw the disrespect the returnees got when they came home and the mental damage done by this rejection still is carried by them today. The Returned Soldiers League and media today give them postive attention these days , but back in the 70's a different story and I believe that alot of Australians are still a bit skeptical at sending troops to just any war ,what a cost .
I have been in mental hospital with vets and it's a sorry picture, talking to one guy who poured out to me about the order to kill villagers ,and the horror of him killing close range some women and children, I'll never forget his face. I said I got out as an conscientious objector and he said it was the best thing to do.
When I was a witness years after some brothers would be shocked and shun me for declaring that if someone threatened the well being of my family in my home I would not hesitate to cut them down. It's not popular but to me it's balanced thinking, the same as showing respect, but not glorifying ,vets for some are not happy with what they chose to, or were forced to do.
Gods word points out on one occaision that some men were looked over for military service because of their nature ,but others fought for him so god knows we need to defend ourselves in certain circumstances, that was even part of the Law.
On the other hand look at that interview that famous American interviewer did, when he asked the politicians how many of their children were going to war in Iraq he could only find one or two who had ......same world as always ,different standards for different classes of people so get your troops from the getto. We all are left to make our own mature and informed choice.
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Update Regarding How The May 1 QFR Is "Playing" In The Congregations
by Justitia Themis ini have been emailing with a sister in my congregation regarding the qfr.
i told her i wasn't discussing it with most jws, because i didn't want to hear any of their "new light" garbage.
i told her this isn't new light; this just means that what we paraded out in 1935 as "new light" was wrong.. she sheepishly (no pun intended) agreed.
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wozadummy
So then this will open up new opportunities for the young and keen to now get on the Governing Body, won't it?
And hiding this new info in a QFR is sneaky, in a couple of years time when some dildo comes forward and questions the new teaching the elders can cunningly ,and arrogantly say to the poor rubber head "well it was in the Watchtower ,did YOU miss it brother?"
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Am I the Only One?
by hybridous ini have a hard time accepting and believing that this whole wt 'phenonemon' is, and has always been, an end unto itself.. i can't help but suspect that this publishing company, masquerading as a religion, is still a front for something - or someone else.. i don't have any substantial empirical evidence, just a whole lot of anecdotal evidence that just happens to fit the hypothesis that there are deeper levels to this whole ridiculousness.
fundamentalist islam seems to be able to control and exert influence in it's followers to the point of suicide attacks.
i submit that the influence of the jw religion upon it's followers is analogous, if not completely identical (at this time).
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wozadummy
I agree with HORTENSIA and some people go into the JW religion and become seperate from family and freinds for the sake of the religion because it's easier for them ,and then there is those that leave the JW"s and seperate themselves from them because it's easier to make a new life without the JW's and those that are family and still in.
It's about choice ....and then ya die
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wozadummy
Thanks for that WAC ,I downloaded and ran it , my PC was ok ...another tool into the arsenal to fight for my privacy!
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for safety it won't delete files digitally signed by microsoftsmart!
and it wiped out every one of my test rootkits.. .
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wozadummy
Hi WAC what's a rootkit?
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Why the WT Society will never sponsor a charity
by moshe inthe wt society has convinced jw's that they are the one true religion and everyone who is not a jw will be destroyed at armageddon.
in the mind of a jw any poor or homeless person who does not become a jw will be killed at armageddon anyway- so, why waste their money on a soup kitchen when everyone in it is just going to be killed at armageddon anyway?
now, if the wt society should ever sponsor a charity for the poor they would be saying in essence to jw's, that the end is not around the corner and maybe jw's are not the only ones who god might look favorably upon.
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wozadummy
Some time last year I saw a statement of the Australia Branch of WTS financial statement ,and only a tiny amount was for anything related to charity.
This makes me wonder if governments changed laws to make religious movements have a decent set percentage of their income that must be mandatory to be used for community charitable works say , to qualify for all the tax benefits etc and recognition of permitted existance, then I wonder what the hypocritical WTS would do then ? Charity if it's only expediant to the organisation? mmmmm......
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How do you guys know that standing firm won't work
by dawg inso, many of you have rightfully challenged my beliefs that standing firm and telling your families exactly what you feel about the wtbts won't work.... i submit that it doesn't work becasue we don't stand together!
if all of us would stand firm say what we know to be true, do it publically, and not back down then i guarentee you there are many in the congs that want out of this crap and their just too scared to do anything becasue they don't want to lose their families.
in my family there are many that call me privately and tell me they know the wt is a crock of shit but won't stand up against it!
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wozadummy
I really like the spirit you show DAWG ,it's commendable and it's probably borne out of some frustration and emotion at what the WTS has achieved directly & indirectly at harming peoples lives ,but that is the reality of freedom of religion and some here made the choice as adults to join , though others ,whom I have feeling especially for ,grew up like my kids to be in a religion like this. These have been damaged particularly and it's sad but that is life and some of us try not to be down hearted by guilt for enforcing WTS policy on them but use our energy to repair where we can the damage .
So a call to arms against the WTS is not reasonable for all as alot are managing the damage done or just leaving the old life behind and don't perhaps want to be reminded of the past .
We're not all banner holding, public speaking opposers of WTS nor could we all be ,usually a minority like Martin Luther King types handle the front of the shop while others back up in what ways they can.
I remember the effect of the many banner holding "apostates" at the district assemblies of the 80's in Adelaide and I doubt they had much effect on the JW's going inside ,except maybe to motivate them to secretly hate the ones outside and think of their eyes and entrails falling on the ground like the bible describes.
But when we personally face JW's we know we can talk boldly to them just as they claim they do to others about their beliefs, such as giving them a real reason why we left when they listen, if they don't what can you do ? force them? no tell all your freinds and workmates who will listen the real story of the JW's and it will get back to witnessess when they knock on their doors, especially if we are specific about events and people and congos.
My wife and I don't hesitate to tell anyone that will listen about her pedophilic family, and any congo members that happen to knock on our door we give them plenty of reason to doubt their lying and crooked organisation ,but in a way that they come to the conclusions themselves! If they don't well what can you do, certainly not become singleminded unthinking like them and come down hard on them .Some of us still care about ones in but who can't leave for whatever reason, and beating a loud drum will not move them ,but clear subtle comments and actions may.