That's wonderfull Jakes, I hope this brings you both peace and I look forward to your book!
wozadummy
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Wife finally sees truth about "the truth"
by jakes inwell it has finally happened.my wife is not going back to the meetings again.as you would probably read in my previous posts, i have written a book about my experience in the watchtower organisation which is on the verge of being published.she still tried to cling to what little belief she had in the borg and did not want to read my manuscript.we discussed many of the issues and concerns i had about the watchtower but most of the times it ended in a heated argument.. i was quite surprised when she approached me about two weeks ago and asked to read my manuscript.after reading it she handed it back to me and said she fully supports me in publishing this book.her eyes have been opened to the deception and lies.i think she and a friend had a bad experience calling on one of her so-called jw friends.furthermore, she did not attend this past weekends circuit assembly..
hooray!!!.
all i have to do now is to introduce her to all you wonderful people here on jwd.. jakes.
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30 years later I've grown a beard again
by wozadummy inthis is one thing that bugged me about "the lie" ,when they came down hard on men who had grown facial hair in the 8o's ( and womens adornment,clothes etc).
a ms at the time had a beard and grizzled about shaving it off but did after the talk at the assembly, he's an elder now but i wonder whether he chafes a bit at the taking away of ones personal freedom to grow something that god gave us men.. i never grew one when a jw for i was a drone i guess ,but with alot of small things over the years this did irritate me and seemed just a way the gov body controlled our lives by taking away a natural thing in life .it's not like men would have beaded,braided or let it grow to look like a feral and be unclean and untidy.. and we have paul saying in 1 cor 10 that he became all things to others to gain them to christ - well what about beards ?
is there anything more natural?
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wozadummy
When i figure how to upload a picture I'll upload a stunning portrait !
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30 years later I've grown a beard again
by wozadummy inthis is one thing that bugged me about "the lie" ,when they came down hard on men who had grown facial hair in the 8o's ( and womens adornment,clothes etc).
a ms at the time had a beard and grizzled about shaving it off but did after the talk at the assembly, he's an elder now but i wonder whether he chafes a bit at the taking away of ones personal freedom to grow something that god gave us men.. i never grew one when a jw for i was a drone i guess ,but with alot of small things over the years this did irritate me and seemed just a way the gov body controlled our lives by taking away a natural thing in life .it's not like men would have beaded,braided or let it grow to look like a feral and be unclean and untidy.. and we have paul saying in 1 cor 10 that he became all things to others to gain them to christ - well what about beards ?
is there anything more natural?
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wozadummy
This is one thing that bugged me about "THE LIE" ,when they came down hard on men who had grown facial hair in the 8o's ( and womens adornment,clothes etc)
A MS at the time had a beard and grizzled about shaving it off but did after the talk at the assembly, he's an elder now but I wonder whether he chafes a bit at the taking away of ones personal freedom to grow something that God gave us men.
I never grew one when a JW for I was a drone I guess ,but with alot of small things over the years this did irritate me and seemed just a way the Gov Body controlled our lives by taking away a natural thing in life .It's not like men would have beaded,braided or let it grow to look like a feral and be unclean and untidy.
And we have Paul saying in 1 Cor 10 that he became all things to others to gain them to Christ - well what about beards ? is there anything more natural? In Jesus time the fashion for Romans was to shave but there's no records of all Christians shaving, and then we have the 20th century starting with the JW leaders bearded and then it becomes fashionable amongst ordinary men to shave , so what does the Society do? it adopts this fashionable worldly model of the American business type and wants all men to shave.
"And brother your spirituality is in question ,and you cannot have privileges for you are wearing a beard which is a symbol of rebellion and how do you think brother it would be to householders if we went to their doors bearded?"
Well shit I reckon they might listen as they can see we are normal people instead of an American religious/business model walking around up in the sky with God looking down on the trashy demonic people of the land!
Well I grew one not to thumb it in the nose of JW's but to express my natural being becoming relaxed gradually after leaving that cult!
Hell it's gray now though ,when it used to be lustrous black , but hey it seems to belong to me and echos the passing years ,and do you know what? people don't treat me any different than before and my wife loves it!
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
He had his oldest apostle write a book of Revelation that would start by saying that all things in it would happen shortly,and then have that book explained by a publishing company some 1900 years ,later then have certain parts of that explanation changed again and again ,to show god is really like the rest of us.
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
He used to live in a star system not far away ,but lovingly let his governing body move him to who knows where.
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
He likes his western worshippers to have expensive Kingdom Halls and update the decor regularly, but does not require them to financially help the brothers in poor lands, they just have to put their money in a box for "The Worldwide Work"
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
Wants everyone to call him by name , but Jesus does'nt have to say it once in the Greek Scriptures!
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What do we really know about Jehovah?
by PopeOfEruke ini started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.
see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.
usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.
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wozadummy
He likes his subjects to think he protected them from a earthquake/sunami by being at a meeting at the Kingdom Hall , but keeps quiet about the brothers who died in field service hit by a car when parked on the side of the road!
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Why are JWs so disrespectful towards war veterans, etc?
by winnie ini never could understand this.
do they have no respect???.
this subject came up when my hubby was talking to his brother on the phone a couple months ago.
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wozadummy
Some good comments here ,and WINNIE is sensitized to the issue of respect here for we had the ANZAC day holiday here ,and as the old timer vets pass away it's surprising here ,to me , that so many young people are celebrating the memory of those that fought at sites like Gallipoli.
There always seems to me that there is a lack of balance when considering war and those who have fought and the reasons are as complex as life itself. There seems to be extremes in viewpoints like the JW one, and then there's the redneck patriot type, and then there's all the others in the middle troubling to polarize around the different viewpoints.
Look at Patriotism - it seems to have a life of it's own and is a result of emotions led by certain factions in the community that are justifying their agenda ,and I would say sneer equally at JW thinking as much as JW's disdain the patriotic. The faction here that has great sway with the media ,politicians etc is the Returned Soldiers League and it's usually headed by a red necked loud buffon that is desperate to paint every Australian act of war and the people that went as servicemen as just heroic and that's all. Never mind the desperately miserable failures of the leaders of the military who sent kids to be killed like at Gallipoli. These wastes of life are never honestly discussed ,it's just like all the length of a war is bundelled into one picture and let's not discect it to see if we made stupid and cruel errors ,and never ever expose what really caused this war in the first place ,but let's just focus on the ones who died bravely or came back and let time make them all heroes.
I think that's what's going on and always has ,and people are desperate to somehow justify the loss of their family members to war and the misery that follows on. That's what the other extreme viewpoint JW's only focus on ,and ignore that sometimes people have to fight to truly defend themselves and their loved ones.
When one has to decide whether to back a war ,we as citizens are fed bullshit as to the real reasons the war started and usually it took some time for the hatred to form ,and it is usually for the reasons of money,religion and politics....in other words self interest. So the Watchtower might be right to a degree but then the red neck has a genuine reason to defend if a genuine threat is imminent. But who is to say when a just war comes along? It really should be up to us as an individual and not forced on us thru politicians on the one hand or forced on us thru threat of disfellowshipping by the extreme views of a governing body of mere men.
This is my take on it ,and what has lead me to my thinking is this - My father was RAF in England in WW11 for the entire war yet he became a pacifist which I did'nt fully agree. The horror he experienced is common to many vets and perhaps his was worse than many and that may have lead him to his future opinion of war and he detested the glory painted on vets.
When I was 17 I joined the Australian Navy of the Vietnam war times at his disgust, but I went, and I really had no clue what I was getting into ,but I found out soon enough in training. So young and stupid ,like alot of others who fought and died ,but we made a decision based on ignorance of reality when we had'nt lived long enough to mature and work out who we were in life . Well when I'd done some nuclear warfare training it finally dawned on me that the weapons at our disposal were to kill ,unlike the movies, and I discovered within myself that I was not a paid killer and saw the eyes of the other side that my father told me about ,who were just people like me SO WHO THE HELL IS TELLING ME TO KILL THEM AND WHY?
No one in the service wanted to tell me and in time I resigned as a conscientious objector ,which became a war in itself. Never regretted that decision .and though many people never came back from Vietnam and I was safe ,I still have no regrets, for over time I saw the disrespect the returnees got when they came home and the mental damage done by this rejection still is carried by them today. The Returned Soldiers League and media today give them postive attention these days , but back in the 70's a different story and I believe that alot of Australians are still a bit skeptical at sending troops to just any war ,what a cost .
I have been in mental hospital with vets and it's a sorry picture, talking to one guy who poured out to me about the order to kill villagers ,and the horror of him killing close range some women and children, I'll never forget his face. I said I got out as an conscientious objector and he said it was the best thing to do.
When I was a witness years after some brothers would be shocked and shun me for declaring that if someone threatened the well being of my family in my home I would not hesitate to cut them down. It's not popular but to me it's balanced thinking, the same as showing respect, but not glorifying ,vets for some are not happy with what they chose to, or were forced to do.
Gods word points out on one occaision that some men were looked over for military service because of their nature ,but others fought for him so god knows we need to defend ourselves in certain circumstances, that was even part of the Law.
On the other hand look at that interview that famous American interviewer did, when he asked the politicians how many of their children were going to war in Iraq he could only find one or two who had ......same world as always ,different standards for different classes of people so get your troops from the getto. We all are left to make our own mature and informed choice.
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Update Regarding How The May 1 QFR Is "Playing" In The Congregations
by Justitia Themis ini have been emailing with a sister in my congregation regarding the qfr.
i told her i wasn't discussing it with most jws, because i didn't want to hear any of their "new light" garbage.
i told her this isn't new light; this just means that what we paraded out in 1935 as "new light" was wrong.. she sheepishly (no pun intended) agreed.
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wozadummy
So then this will open up new opportunities for the young and keen to now get on the Governing Body, won't it?
And hiding this new info in a QFR is sneaky, in a couple of years time when some dildo comes forward and questions the new teaching the elders can cunningly ,and arrogantly say to the poor rubber head "well it was in the Watchtower ,did YOU miss it brother?"