I just had a deja vu experience there. Actually, I think it was 2 experiences entwined.
Or maybe it's past my bedtime.
-Aude.
AudeSapere
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this site sucks
by Hortensia inyou all spend all your time bickering about religion and doctrine and god and evolution and atheists, not to mention all the discussion about athiests too.
you are totally ignoring an important subject.
we haven't had one fucking decent discussion of dr. who in at least a year!!!.
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The Watchtower .......default ? an answer
by LaFrancia inhttp://proclamatoreconsapevole.blogspot.it/2013/11/tdg-betel-mondiale-gestione.html?showcomment=1384798623003.
in this post they wrote :.
why do wecome to know from the sec, the most important american and world society of control of the new york stock exchange(consob)that the watch tower have between 7 and 10% of the american investment bank jpmorgan and other investment banks,shares of coca-cola company,exxonmobil,proctor and gamble,barclay's,jds uniphase and many other companies?why do wecome to know financial information channels that also owns several mutual funds with hedge fund intelligence ?.
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AudeSapere
It (the figures and percentages) does not sound right to me. But I look forward to an answer from someone who is better informed than I.
-Aude.
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The Funniest Thing I've Read In A long Time
by metatron inhttp://www.reddit.com/r/askreddit/comments/1qoyn2/assume_all_of_world_history_is_a_movie_what_are/.
laughed so hard i cried.
from this perspective, you get to see how utterly bizarre human history really is !.
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AudeSapere
(Marking to look at another day. Way past bedtime now.)
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The TRUTH about Jehovah's Wittnesses (from MY 22 YRS. EXPERIENCE) - A MUST READ!
by gmason972 ini have learned to stay away from all religion and jehovahs wittness doctrine (that includes the watchtower and awake magazines).
stay away from positions of ministerial servant, pioneer, aux pioneer, elder, and the like.
once you become a full fledged jehovah wittness you are doomed to be unhappy.
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AudeSapere
Oh... I see you actually joined this site back in March. Well... It's nice that you finally spoke up~!!
-Aude.
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The TRUTH about Jehovah's Wittnesses (from MY 22 YRS. EXPERIENCE) - A MUST READ!
by gmason972 ini have learned to stay away from all religion and jehovahs wittness doctrine (that includes the watchtower and awake magazines).
stay away from positions of ministerial servant, pioneer, aux pioneer, elder, and the like.
once you become a full fledged jehovah wittness you are doomed to be unhappy.
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AudeSapere
Welcome to JWN. And thank you for a good initial post. It's nice to know something about a poster when they join and it's clear where (some) of your thoughts are.
You wrote: Once you become a full fledged Jehovah Wittness You are DOOMED TO BE UNHAPPY.
I believe this is very true. I was working (supporting myself) and pioneering back in the mid-80's. And I was getting very stressed out. My employer mad a comment to me one afternoon... He said, 'you know, something is very wrong here. Most people, when they get more involved with their church, they are happier. That's not happening with you.'
And he was right.
Anyway... Thanks again for your post. I think you will find that MANY here agree with your comments and assessment.
-Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)
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time to reboot jwn??? attn. tech49, formerlongtime elder, others.
by nowwhat? infirst of all let me start by saying who am i to judge, but... i understand jwn has completely evolved over the years, but what i would like to see a forum that has current members and former jw's that still live by bible principles and respect the bible, but are not afraid to call out the watchtower on their practices and revised history.
i think quality posters as mentioned above, after venting their frustrations and experiences realize this website is taken over by athiests.
and punk kids-[ see similar post.
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AudeSapere
nowwhat? wrote: boy am i pissing off alot of people, sorry do'nt want to make enemies,
Wow! Where did that come from? I think the key to the problem lies in that comment, though. I didn't see *any* pissed-off posters leading up to that comment in this thread. Noone was pissed off. And noone was calling you an enemy. The strongest comments were to encourage you to speak your mind, post your comments, but if they are 100% pro-religion and 100% pro-diety, be prepared to back up your comments with clear thoughts.
I think you mistook the concept of 'discussion' for antagonism. Or may you even consider a discussion/expression of different opinions to be verbal assault. But that does not mean that the people particpating in the discussion are pissed off. Nor are they your enemies. They may be your best friends as they help you prove your own faith to yourself.
Atheists are not necessarily evil. Devoutly religious people are not necessarily good. People are people.
My non-/never-a-JW aunt secretly works for an Atheist group in NJ. She travels to conventions with them. She is strongly Christian but does not want family to know that she works for an Atheist agency. (I don't know the name of the group.) But she is SHOCKED at how kind, decent, generous, thoughtful these people are. I thought it was funny that she expected something completely different from them.
For what it's worth, I am not an Atheist. I want to be. But too many things have happened to me personally to believe that there is *nothing* intervening. I don't believe in God, per se. I consider myself Agnostic and I believe that is a bit of a cop-out, a sort of setting it all on the side while I live my life the best I can. Whether I believe in God or not, my life and my actions will not change that drastically.
If there *is* a God, I believe he should have explained himself better and provided clearer instructions to humankind on what he wants of his creatures.
If there *is* a God and if my life is a gift from said God, he will understand that I sacrificed far to much of my life earnestly doing what I thought was pleasing him. But all along I was serving a few old geysers in Brooklyn who run book publishing company and act like a cult.
If there *is* a God and if my life is a gift from said God, then I need to not squander any more of my time or my life trying to figure out what God wants.
I should respect the life I have by doing something with it.
If there is no God, I will still have lived a good life.
Either way, I will confidently go to my grave knowing that I made conscious decision to do the right thing because it was the right thing, not because someone somewhere wrote a book telling me what to believe.
I would also like to say that I usually skip over the doctrinal threads here simply because I do not care about them. In keeping with my philosophy of Agnosticism, I choose to not waste my time with the back-and-forth discussions on the subject.
I hope nowwhat? stays. This board has so many things to offer besides 'feel-good' christian stroking.
It's certainly a better educator than the Awake! magazine. It teaches critical-thinking, which is never a bad thing.
-Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)
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Bethel public relations rep J.R. Brown tells Connie Chung GB are not directed by God nor are JW's better than others
by williamhconley inconnie chung was interviewing j.r. brown wt public relations head regarding the pedophile manuel cano (50 yr old bethel elder) in 2006.. during the interview she asks j.r. brown if the wt considers themselves spirit directed or inspired.
she also asks him if the jw's believe if they're the only true religion or channel to god.. the answer given by the public relations head will turn your head.
what amazing liars they all are.
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AudeSapere
I don't think it's Connie Chung. I think the woman on the phone is LDH.
-Aude.
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Bethel public relations rep J.R. Brown tells Connie Chung GB are not directed by God nor are JW's better than others
by williamhconley inconnie chung was interviewing j.r. brown wt public relations head regarding the pedophile manuel cano (50 yr old bethel elder) in 2006.. during the interview she asks j.r. brown if the wt considers themselves spirit directed or inspired.
she also asks him if the jw's believe if they're the only true religion or channel to god.. the answer given by the public relations head will turn your head.
what amazing liars they all are.
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AudeSapere
Our very own JWN poster LDH had her own interview with him and she posted while she was talking to him on this same subject. She even asked him the same questions about JW being the only true religion and if the GB are inspired. Here is the link to LDH's thread from SEVEN years ago:
-Aude.
EDITED AGAIN: To the OP - Are you sure this is Connie Chung on the phone with JR Brown?
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NEW CASE FILED in relation to the Menlo Park Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses scandal
by jwleaks ina new civil case has been filed in the menlo park congregation of jehovah's witnesses scandal.. .
for those following the case, the 55 page volume of court documents, dated october 25, 2013, can be downloaded at jw leaks.. http://jwleaks.org/scandals/menlo-park-congregation/.
the court document contains a facsimile copy of correspondence between christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses and the body of elders in the menlo park congregation on pages 42 and 43.. page 54 contains a facsimile copy of a letter re: an investigation conducted by the city of menlo park over a complaint of "fraud and embezzelment".
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Waiting for the JWs to come to my door...
by Hortenzie ini read about the new tract distribution and thought to myself how should i react, when they come to my door.
finally today, after finishing my morning coffee, i got an idea!
i'll take the tract, look at it, look at them, and with a nice smile rip it up and hand it back to them with :"have a great day!
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LOL... WOW... It took me til the end of page 3 to realize that this is not my old friend Hortensia. I just could not understand why Hortensia was suggesting this response to JWs.
It all makes sense now. Hortenzie is *not* Hortensia.
whew!
-Aude.