AudeSapere

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  For the many who remember "just2laws," he had a massive heart attack last night...

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  and died at home in panama city beach, florida.

  steve imhof, a bethelite in the 1970s and former very active elder who became a very vocal wt critic starting in 2002, was 65 years old when he died.

  he was father to three children and two grandchildren.

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  Much too young.

  -Aude.
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  Child custody problems

  by A.proclaimer in

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  this is the letter that was read today in the congregation:.

  to all congregations in the united states territory.

  re:child custody packet.

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  3rdgen asked: Does anybody remember when the WTBT$ insisted they were NOT a religion????

  Oh! I clearly remember that. And Kingdom Halls are not churches (although *sometimes* they were listed under churches in the phonebook - but not always).

  And this 'packet' has been referenced on this website many times. One most notable with poster 'alamb' where the elder speaking on behalf of the JW spouse denied that such a packet existed... Repeated denied its existance... All while the judge had a copy right in front of him.

  Makes me ill to think about it.

  -Aude.
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  Just wanting clarification on the RBC

  by joe134cd in

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  i have been reading threads about how the rbc operates, so i sort of have a fair idea of what the answers will be.

  but i would like to have a more direct answer to my questions.. where do the orders come from that a hall is in need of a remodel, or a new one to be built.. can the elders refuse a remodel or quickly built.. out side contractors are only allowed with rbc approval.

  what are the consequences if say a kh needed a new roof, and secular contractor was hired.. is it a case that orders a given that a hall needs a remodel, and that the rbc will have total control, and look out for who ever gets in the way, and elders just have to simply comply.. this is the question i most want answered.

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  3rdgen wrote: The Menlo Park debacle was the tipping point...

  Does anyone have a link or two to a thread or newspaper article on this?

  -Aude.

  EDIT TO ADD: Nevermind. I found a few...

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/207456/1/Menlo-Park-Kingdom-Hall-3#.UsYtRPveTQI

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/223918/1/Menlo-Park-KH-Elder-Tells-All-and-more#.UsYttPveTQI
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  Elders book....margin notes not copyrighted!

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  the watchtower moan about copyright when people quote or display the shepherd the flock book, but those big margins are there for the info they dare not write in ink, the juicy bits!

  being in the margin and penned, are not copyrighted.... anyone fancy copying their margins, or sharing the interesting legal/doctrinal bits and bobs?.

  anyone have the time to scan them in?.

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  OK... Looks like my previous link is bad...

  This one should work: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/110725/1/Im-back#.UsE0w0reTQI

  Scroll to the bottom of the first page and you find some of what you are asking for.

  -Aude.
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  Elders book....margin notes not copyrighted!

  by snare&racket in

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  the watchtower moan about copyright when people quote or display the shepherd the flock book, but those big margins are there for the info they dare not write in ink, the juicy bits!

  being in the margin and penned, are not copyrighted.... anyone fancy copying their margins, or sharing the interesting legal/doctrinal bits and bobs?.

  anyone have the time to scan them in?.

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  Here's a few notes from 8 years ago. Not sure if there's been update(s) since then...

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/im-back%2824%29?page=1&size=20

  (Scroll down a bit and you will find a few scans.)

  -Aude.
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  comprehensive list of all internet resources required for thinking Jehovahs Witnesses to make an exit

  by besty in

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  https://www.google.com/?q=jehovah's%20witness#q=jehovah's+witness.

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  hmmmm

  I tried to make it clickable and it looked like I was successful with hyperlink until i hit 'submt'. Then the link was broken.

  Oh well. I tried.

  -Aude.
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  Thoughts on going back, am I the only one that feels this way?

  by excaliber in

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  hello everyone, i know you have heard this topic before and your probably thinking.

  ...not again lol.. but i was wondering if anyone has thought of going back for the same reasons as myself, i don't think its the truth but i searched and my conclusion is that other religions don't have the truth, they are all wrong in my opinion.

  if there is no other religion to go too, why leave were i was born and raised.

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  There are much better ways to spend your time. Either working on a degree, developing a hobby, taking a walk, reading.

  When you meet new people, you don't have to make them understand you before you can hang out with them. Just hang. Do things together. Eventually you can tell parts (or all) of your story. But it does not have to happen first.

  And returning to the org with intent to be distracting and rude is just bad manners, imo.

  -Aude.
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  Has anybody meet anyone on here who they knew as a JW. Experiences please

  by joe134cd in

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  2. bible

  i'm just curious but has anybody meet some one on jehovahwitness-net who they knew in their jw lives.

  just want to hear experiences.

  please include the indicators that led up to you identifying each other, and how you eventually revealed yourself.

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  Yes. 3 people that I can think of off-hand.

  One trigger was that I got a pm because I mentioned that person by name in a thread that kept coming up in google searches when that person's customers searched their name. [At my request, the mods removed my old post. I never should have posted the name in the public section.] That person has posted here fairly often for the past 2 or 3 years. It was fun getting back in touch.

  Another trigger was someone else mentioned my family as being in a particular congregation in the 1970's. That poster no longer posts. I hope she's OK.

  The 3rd one triggered when we both, on the same thread, mentioned that a well-known network reporter's father was an elder in a particular congregation in California.

  I keep looking for more but am obviously much more careful in naming names.

  -Aude.
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  How to get through an Assembly?

  by kaxozula in

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  me just learning the truth about the truth has just made it hard to even get through a two hour meeting at the the kingdom hall.

  i get so sleepy during them and i almost cannot contain it!

  the last time i went to a convention, i was still an avid believer but as you can see, that has changed.

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  Towards my last year or two of attending meetings, I could not keep awake. To cope I would stand in the back of the hall. Elders would ask me to sit but I told them my back hurt. I would frequently get up for water. For assemblies, I would walk. Alot. (and I worked in the auditing department so had lots to do during sessions at the District Convention.)

  It's brutal. Find ways to miss meetings. Work late. Have a sinus headache - then stay home, take a walk, watch tv, or just go to bed early.

  Take a class?

  I don't know your situation much at all but there is probably a slew of people here who have a near-identical situation to yours. I'm sure you will find good support here.

  And Welcome to JWN! We're glad you found us and even gladder that you spoke up!

  -Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)
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  Just caught my 7 yr old watching 'Calebs Aeroplane' think I overreacted

  by not bitter in

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  at least i think thats what its called.

  she was watching it at my parents house just now.

  i asked what she was watching on my mums tablet and mum said whilst laughing 'oh sorry but she wants to watch bible stories' then all i heard was something about jehovah and keeping rooms tidy.

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  My mother pulled crap like this with my niece and nephew all the time. She would breezily laugh it off. Or, when my sister-in-law was babysitting my younger siblings, mom made sure that part of the daily 'to-do' list was meeting preparation or reading from the Bible Story book. She knew exactly what she was doing. She told me so. Making sister-in-law read the Bible Story stuff with the kids, my mom saw this as 'captive witnessing'. She was so proud of herself.

  Sister-in-law, on the other hand was not amused.

  And the boys hated the forced bible stuff when they had a fun, non-jw adult they could play with!

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  Separately, when I was 7, my parents were non-religious and had not yet begun studying with the JWs. Somehow (probably from kids at school) I decided that I really wanted to go to Sunday School. My parents found a church nearby and every Sunday morning would drop me and my little brother off at Sunday School. They did not attend with us. Just dropped us 2 little kids off. LOL. I was 7, my brother was 3. [Sounds crazy now. But I guess I was pretty mature for my age and overly responsible with my brother.]

  I think we did the Sunday School thing for about a year before I tired of it. But the thing is, I think your 7-year-old may very well have shown an interest. (Could have been coerced. But not necessarily. I wasn't.)

  However, the main difference is that JW publications first and foremost induce guilt and fear. Sunday School had us coloring Noah's Ark, Moses receiving the 10 commandments, the nativity. We learned a song to sing all the books of the bible in order. We sang "Jesus Loves the Little Children". And we played with other kids our own age. All the kids were together for about 20 minutes, then separated by age group for another 15 or 20 minutes. What we learned was age-appropriate and, to my recollection, never made us feel guilty or fearful.

  It's the guilt and fear and sensationalization of godly-destruction that is so prevalent in JW publications that I would highlight to your parents. Maybe find and watch the video yourself. Or look at the other one on the jw website. Be familiar with them when you talk to your mom and let her know that you are working hard to raise a competent, curious, self-confident, intelligent young woman and carefully choose material that helps foster good values, and good morals, without triggering fear and guilt.

  If your daughter really is curious about religion, without prodding from grandparents, you can find lots of stuff on your own online or at a bookstore. You can attend a non-demoninational church - this will give some friendship, too, along with the opportunity for community involvement/service. You can just read specific parts for the bible yourselves. Or you can tell her there is plenty of time later in life for religion and philosophy and that right now, her biggest job is to be a kid.

  Good Luck with the JW grandparents.

  -Aude.