Posts by AudeSapere

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Have I made a mistake?

by Calashan in

so i've been out since my mid teens.

never baptised and consider myself among the lucky ones as it meant i could still have a normal(?

) relationship with my parents who are both still in.. jump forward 14 years or so to last night.

AudeSapere

Oh! That tightrope we walk when interacting with our JW family members!!

We *all* know that constriction in the chest.

Maybe call your dad and just say something like "I've been thinking about our conversation from yesterday. I really hope I didn't say anything that could get you in trouble with the elders. I sorry if I over-spoke or did anything to cause you distress."

And just leave it at that.

I think those exact years are effective because it could put your dad back in the mindframe of being a grown man just speaking honestly with his son. If the elders try to interfere in the discussion/relationship, he is more likely to feel that *they* are overstepping the line, not you.

And welcome to JWN. It's nice to have a place to meet with people who know where you are coming from.

-AudeSapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

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Is the Watchtower Bible and Truck Society still paying $4,000 a day in fines?

by new boy in

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to the state of california for not turning over the list of all the known pedophiles in their organization?.

AudeSapere

This discussion may help with the answer to that question:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5873117277716480/padron-case-settled-what-happens-fine

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Only a few days ago I was entirely lost and without hope the rug was pulled out from under me

by elderess in

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only a few days ago i was walking around the house in a mindless wander thinking if i needed to seek professional help.

then i got the courage to seek the comfort of complete strangers on the internet and found a world of support here on this website.

thank you simon and whoever else has made this website possible.

AudeSapere

So glad you found us here. You will find much information (use the search feature) and support.

Slow and steady with your next steps.

Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

41

suicide

by zeb in

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who among us has known a jw who has committed suicide.

i believe this as a separate subject has not been covered..

AudeSapere

SUCH an important topic. Good to bring up the subject again.

34

Is My Wife Awakening?

by My Name is of No Consequence in

every now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.

i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.

for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.

AudeSapere

MNIONC wrote: I think she is just picking up on it. She overhears conversations at the meetings and in field service. The general mood of the flock is not good right now and it is easy to notice.

I suppose it's *possible* that all those things could be talked about at meeting and service, but really seems unlikely. At respectful_observer said, the topics you cited are a "Greatest Hits" list of people who have already woken up. You might consider gently and casually asking your wife what made her think of x-topic next time she brings it up.

Sounds like she either has a friend who is searching the internet or your wife is.

But I really have a hard believing these topics are happening while in car group for service.

Just a feeling...

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Connect the dots: Cut the baby in half

by OrphanCrow in

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*thanks to bubba on reddit for the heads up this uplifting children's activity.

what is the purpose of this activity?

what is the message?

AudeSapere

Just another specific example of why the JW organization is dangerous for children.

30

Question is there any historical data on a women killing her entire

by poopie in

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family including dog and then herself?.

AudeSapere

Giordano quoted: The "civil reputable" killer, on the other hand, is motivated by a perverse form of altruism. "His entire identity is in his family," says Richard Gelles, dean of the School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania and an authority on domestic violence. The father (or mother) is almost always considering suicide as the only escape from some sort of financial crisis. Murdering their family members, then, becomes a way of rescuing them from the hardship and shame of bankruptcy and suicide.

Interesting and insightful. Thank you.

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Question is there any historical data on a women killing her entire

by poopie in

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family including dog and then herself?.

AudeSapere

Poopie - I don't really understand what you are asking for.

My first thought is this recent event that occurred in Michigan last week: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404467/Woman-killed-husband-2-adult-kids-killing-herself.html

The article says that "Since their deaths, friends revealed that the family left the Jehovah's Witnesses five years ago, and had been subsequently shunned by their former community. The friends speculated that the isolation from the shunning may have been what caused Lauren to snap and kill her loved ones."

From this article, I just learned that her children were adults in the 20's.

Is this what you are requesting?

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Is My Wife Awakening?

by My Name is of No Consequence in

every now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.

i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.

for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.

AudeSapere

MNIONC wrote: ... she started talking about how former Bethelites are coming back disgruntled and how pioneers are dismayed because no one is helping them within the congregation.

How does she know about this and the other issues you cited?

That specific list is so easily found on xjw discussion sites, not likely discussed in the car while on way to territory for field service.

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Questions to be answered/asked by JW Bible students

by The Fall Guy in

potential recruits of the cult known as jehovah's witnesses/wtbts will eventually be asked the following two questions as they hand over every aspect and control of their lives to the org;.

on the basis of the sacrifice of jesus christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to jehovah to do his will?.

do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah’s witnesses in association with god’s spirit-directed organization?.

AudeSapere

stuckinarut2 wrote: Go to the JWdotORG site, and in the search field type "data protection policy" and read the train wreck of an excuse of a policy!

Thank you for the suggestion. Here is a quote from the written Data Collection Policy at jw.org:

4. The organization has an interest in permanently maintaining data regarding an individual’s status as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Deleting such information would unduly infringe on the organization’s religious beliefs and practices. (Bold, Italics and Underlining by Aude)