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  Kingdom Halls sold.

  by zeb in

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  please list kh that you know of that have been sold..

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  AudeSapere

  Assembly Hall in Woodland Hills CA sold about 10 (??) years ago.
  
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  Brilliant Medical Advice from the Slave

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure where i picked this up:.

  self explanatory science and medical advice from the faithful and brilliant servant class in brooklyn________________________________________thomas edison, the inventor and electrician, of phonograph and telephone fame, has been experimenting with the new light "x-rays.

  " and has succeeded in taking a photograph through oak eight inches thick.

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  Terrifying to remember that some of us were very young children under guidance of our parents who believed this nonsense.
  
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  GDPR: help for PIMOs

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we urgently need to offer "resistance strategy" help to pimos who are likely to be harassed by elders seeking their consent for wtbt$ to leech their data.

  what questions could pimos ask elders, that elders would be unable to answer?

  (thus buying time, because elder would need to "check with branch").

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  Marking for later.
  
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  Shunning: Reasoning With JW's

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  perhaps this line of questioning could agitate a jw's thinking.

  it can't hurt.. you: is shunning a biblical teaching?.

  jw: yes.. you: so it must be god's law?.

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  My response to this now is: Jesus wouldn't do it.
  
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  You might be a Jehovah's Witness if.......

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you might be a jehovah's witness if, to not feel guilty on saturday morning, you ride in a car with a group of adults driving in circles around town taking turns to get out one at a time to knock on a door that you hoped no one would answer.. you might be a jw if going on vacation meant going to a summer regional or district assembly where you did not need to pack shorts, tennis shoes, or tank tops.

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  you might be a jw if for lunch at the summer convention you and your family ate breakfast food from the holiday inn where you are staying for the summer assembly.. you might be a jw if the first thing that you think about when waking up in the morning is that it is meeting night.. you might be a jw if you introduce a person to another jw, not by the person's name by as my bible study.. you might be a jw if you don't celebrate christmas but will take the money from your employer to not come to work so that you can celebrate it..

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  Funny and true!
  
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  Closure and the death of JW family/friends

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a few threads recently made me think of how cruel jehovah's witnesses are in shunning around death.

  i don't have much experience with death.

  i lost my non-jw grandpa when i was 12 (?

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  This:

  dogisgod wrote: I recommend that those of you who are barred from your families memorials, have your own. Do it the way that brings closure (if that's possible) and peace of mind.

  
  
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  "Thanks for the thought" - how the religion robs people of normal humanity

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so as you all know, my wife and i are not officially df or da.. a small event happened this week that i have to share!.

  a family that we were really close to (dinners and catch ups several times a month , go out socially often, play sport together, helped them through tough times, like uncle and aunty to their kids, etc).

  the wife's father died.

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  This:

  Incognito wrote:Taking an alternate view, maybe the father's death has hit them harder than you recognize. Perhaps they are in shock and consumed with grief and so are not acting as themselves and are not associating their behaviour with acting rudely.

  I lost both parents in the fairly-recent past. The passing of a parent can affect some people very hard. I think having a JW past complicates things exponentially - especially if someone is a little 'weak'.

  The loss can make you face everything you thought you knew. And feelings and insights can change daily.

  There can be a crisis of belief with the survivor.

  Manners and normal gratifude can easily be skipped by a someone have a great personal crisis.
  

  JWs are not accustomed to grieving. And they usually don't understand the benefit of grieving.

  And when they lose a parent, survivors are forced to confront their own mortality. An extremely sobering concept for those raised on assertion that they 'Can Live Forever in Paradise On Earth' and "Millions Now Living Will Never Die."

  One of the best things that one of my friend did a few weeks after my dad passed last year was to call to say she was in the neighborhood and asked if she could come by for just a few minutes. Very impromptu. Just she and I. We had a cup of tea and chatted in my home. And I cried without worrying about disturbing other people. She just said she was thinking of me and let me talk. She listened patiently and let me cry.

  It was powerful and kind and helpful to me.

  Maybe don't read too much into the brusque reply about the flowers.

  Maybe reach out to one of them for an informal one-on-one to show that you still really do care about them as a person. And as a friend.
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  Early 70's JW POP Music: All Over, No wonder. By: The Great Crowd

  by I quit! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  going through a box of old records in my garage i came across this 45 by the great crowd.

  it was given to me in the early 70's when i was living in crestline, ca.

  i had no way of playing it because i haven't had a turntable in years so i googled it and found this link.

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  I used to know Phil and Tina. Seems like two lifetimes ago!

  Pretty cool back story from DNC.Thanks for sharing.
  
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  Memorial Question

  by charity7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys.

  my husband is a jw and i have a question because yesterday was the memorial.

  i was wondering how they pick the date for the memorial because, even though religious groups are celebrating today as easter, next sunday is actually the anniversary date of the resurrection according to the jewish calendar?

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  From jw dot org:

  "Jehovah’s Witnesses observe the Memorial after sundown on Nisan 14, according to the reckoning of the Jewish calendar that was common in the first century. The Jewish day begins at sundown and extends until the following sundown. So Jesus died on the same Jewish calendar day that he instituted the Memorial. The beginning of the month of Nisan was the sunset after the new moon nearest the spring equinox became visible in Jerusalem. The Memorial date is 14 days thereafter. (Thus the date for the Memorial may not coincide with that of the Passover kept by modern-day Jews. Why not? The start of their calendar months is set to coincide with the astronomical new moon, not the visible new moon over Jerusalem, which may come 18 to 30 hours later. Also, most Jews today keep the Passover on Nisan 15, not on the 14th as did Jesus in harmony with what was stated in the Mosaic Law.)"

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989248
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  Zeb's Memorial Experience

  by HiddlesWife in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just saw zeb's ("i'm worldly") video entitled: "black mass mayhem" a few minutes ago.

  no doubt this was what he experienced at a memorial he attended last night.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xz1eb63iry .

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  It's outrageous. It's 'in your face'. It goes right over most JWs heads. It reinforces JW perception that XJW's are crazy. To the average JW, it sounds absurd. It reinforces JW persecution complex.

  It feels wrong.
  

  But I'm also certain it gets some JWs talking.

  Or a least thinking.

  And maybe that's a start.

  But I think they are talking more about the actions and the disruption rather than the actual message.

  It feels wrong and disrespectful to invade and disrupt religious services.

  But JWs for so many years said they are not a religion. And they said their places of worship are not churches. And for over 100 years they run their organization like a business. A non-charitable, tax-exempt business with a religious fairy-tale message.
  

  And the Jehovah's Witness organization does invade and disrupt and break-up families. [Just ask anyone who has observed the recruitment and indoctrination of a family member.]
  

  But the average JW does not really perceive it this way.

  In the minds of the JWs watching the 'outbursts', the disruptive nature of these KH stormings would validate the shunning (and disfellowshipping) of the participants.

  The kids or others who may already be seeing cracks in the organization and those starting to wake up may be the only ones who take note. But I would assume that they don't want to be aligned with what they perceive as unhinged, raging, mentally-diseased, demon-possessed activists.

  And yet...

  We learned to 'Preach with Boldness' at our KingdomHalls.

  These activists learned their lessons while in their seats at the Hall and in Field Service.
  

  This activism feels wrong. But it also feels very right, in a weird sort of way.

  Maybe business cards with links to a few select clips of the ARC (or a 20-min video of ARC highlights and a link to the full 8-10 days testimony of the ARC) and jwfacts.com??

  I would love to see links to print out the XJW convention brochure from 10 years (?) ago, the Funny Money, and the new brochure that was featured at the Warwick protest march last fall. These printed items can be left around town by those of us who for a very wide variety of reasons cannot or will not join the 'in-your-face' team. We can feed the information to the general public who can then have a topic of conversation to start with any JW they come in contact with.

  The printed pieces can begin specifically ask the recipient to discuss this info with any JW they meet.

  Just a few thoughts as I watch these YouTube videos.

  The CTV program that aired last week (?) was sooo well done. And I thought nicely explained why some feel the need to storm KingdomHalls. Time will tell how much of an effect it has on the average JW.