having read the exchanges between rev, bill bowen, and others involved in the silent lambs website, i honestly feel sickened.
i remember when i first started to hear rumblings that "something big" was going down regarding the society's handling of child abuse.
i was overjoyed because i had first-hand knowledge of several atrocities in this regard and was hoping against all odds that a major upset would force them to change their policies.
HS,
***The mail phased me about as much as a Greek cheesecake***
Laughing, because it sounded funny. I have no idea even if Greeks make cheescake?? Perhaps your point. Anyway I don't remember eating any, although 'halva' seems to ring a bell from my youthful days spent around a whole congregation full of Greeks.
Glad you could shine it all on.........btw it is good to have you back.
Danny
i just had to laugh.
the old congregation i used to attend now has two young.
unmarried sisters who got knocked up by their 'worldly' boyfriends.
Jw's clean? No bigger a ruse has ever been told.
Jw's moral turpitude, is evidenced by their ridiculous willingness to accept those who violate biblical/civil law simply because of manifest repentance. Even going so far as to welcome those 'worldly', non members, who have or are practicing "sin", based solely on a purported interest in the bible and who attend meetings, or accept a bible study.
Sure let some dufus (in want of a better word) screw your minor daughter, impregnate her, cause her to be humiliated in front of three 'cheese/cracker men', then allow the dufus to attend the Watchtower Study..............next the guy is invited to a jw sponsored wedding reception, baby shower, fellowship gathering, included in the next congregation outing, all because he falls into an 'interested person' catagory!
What a crock! They simply have lost all sense of reality. Clean? They are so far removed from 'clean' the only acceptable term I can come up with is 'whitewashed'.............but even that word does not express the sheer idiocy of what is practiced in the name of 'righteousness'.
Danny
having read the exchanges between rev, bill bowen, and others involved in the silent lambs website, i honestly feel sickened.
i remember when i first started to hear rumblings that "something big" was going down regarding the society's handling of child abuse.
i was overjoyed because i had first-hand knowledge of several atrocities in this regard and was hoping against all odds that a major upset would force them to change their policies.
Hillary,
I hope you wraped all those email threats up in a neat little package, forwarded them to someone you trust, and have or will make them available to law enforcement.
Danny
i'm just 'stopping by briefly' lol to wish happy holidays to old friends who may still be posting/lurking here...so many of you come to my mind on a regular basis, things you've said long ago continue to return to me when i need them and keep me going in a strong, forward direction.
my family continues to be amazed by the fact that four and a half years after my df'ing, i still haven't caved in and gone back.
for me, there is no going back.
Essie,
I had to get my magnifying glass out!!!!!!!!! But it was worth the effort.
I love Christmas to.
Alway's good to hear from you.
Danny
Have a great holiday season.
to those of you who have had the misfortune of receiving mr. bowen's silentlambs newsletter.
unfortunately mr. bowen feels the need to lie to you all, and slander the name of abuse survivors he claims to protect and serve.
a copy of his most recent attack is below my short response.
Rev,
There is no need for you to seek an attorney, Bill Bowen is doing quite well in self destructing. A mouthpiece will only cost you $.
It is very sad, that many here on jw.com and other boards have suffered so much from this 'elder', without a bit of common sense. People holed up, in the process of leaving, or afraid to utter a word. Former friends ignoring each other, shunning perhaps a better word for it.
All because this haughty man, believes that he is above critique.
From the moment he 'burned rubber' in the Kingdom Hall lot, there in Arkansas.....I knew where he was headed. Every event, every Silentlamb post he made...........was grandstanding, just look at the titles 'Meet Silentlambs in Person'....The man has a lust for glory. A need to prove everyone else is wrong.
The unfortunate thing is that so many have been injured, perhaps beyond repair from his assinine actions.
What every 'elder' hates the most, is to be ignored. It is time for you to do so with Mr. Bowen. Five or six years down the road..........Mr Bowen will be regretting most if not all of his actions in the last 60 days or so. Mark my words.
Any accomplishments he makes from this time forward, will always carry with them this legacy of 'disdain'.
Danny
this message was originally sent out by bill bowen on the silentlambs mailing list: .
i wish to explain some of the events of the last couple of months and let everyone know where silentlambs.org is going from here.
in october of this year i was approached by a webmaster, rev, who offered to provide server space for silentlambs and set up a new website.
Rev Malk,
***So, in spite of the fact that he's dragged my good name through the mud to literally thousands of people throughout the internet and God knows how else, I have agreed to upload the site for him, even after being fired! He's told numerous lies about me, he's defamed my name, and that of my business, my livelihood, the source of food for my children, on several occasions. He asks what he can do to make it up to me? ***
Think about it, if BB is willing to do that to you, an avid supporter of his cause, how easy is it to assume he/Silentlambs can and will do the very same to those accused of abuse.
What should have been the 'telling event' to everyone is his decision to stand at the front door of WTBS and loud speaker an accusation against TJ. This single event proved that the sole intent, the agenda of BB is vindictive. Say anything, imply henious crimes, all in the name of defending the abused.
Unfortunately the name Silentlambs has now become synonymous with 'crash and burn' tactics. No one is safe, from this style of activisim.
The lesson's provided in watching these events develope, should make any reasonable person, take pause about giving unreserved support to any 'cause'.
Danny
one of the most interesting dogmas found among believers is the concept called free will- on the surface it starts out sounding reasonable, until you start the ask questions and listen to the explanations that are given , after awhile you realize it has no legs to stand on.
we are told by believers that god allows each person to make thier own choice and we are not robots and therefore we are able to exercise free will, the only problem is when you ask the question, what about when someone exercises thier free will and it harms someone else, why would a loving god allow someone the free will to hurt someone innocent, at that point free will sounds more like an excuse to give god a bye in terms of having to do anything- i read this posters comment and i couldn't for the life of me see any logic or reasonablness behind the concept of free will when folks get hurt like this person has-.
one of my earliest memories is of my grandfather raping me.
SwedishChef,
***Isn't God's word enough to convince you of what he wants, Danny Bear?***
You may not realize it, but your simplistic, assumptive, question begs analysis. For the sake of brevity, I will ask you a question in response; Is the bible God's word just because it makes the claim, and YOU choose to believe it?
I will conclude by your initial question, that your answer is, yes.
In a nutshell this is where all fundementalists go astray, imo. They parrot and relentlessly preach a devotion to the words recorded in the bible as inspired of God. Yet when asked to prove that the 66 books as canonized as the modern bible, are in fact utterances from God, fundies resort to the round robing reasoning (circular), that it is God's word, because it say's so. Well shazaam, how convenient.
Having read all 66 books of the bible at least 4 times straight through, and thousands of 'out of context' rereads, due to Watchtower think and society methods, I cannot get past this glaring almost inane gullibility.
There is only one book in the bible that still intrigues me. That is the book of Daniel. Even today the wtbs society (aka Freddie Franz) did a real number on the Image with feet of iron and clay. To this day it is the only 'so called' prophecy (that is debatable..as respects time lines) that seems to accurately portray world governments from Neb to Anglo America. But it leaves so much unanswered, it appears to be prophetic, but is it?
The book of Psalms/ Proverbs are beautiful with many wise and valid commentary. Yet if only read other so called 'inspired' works, the book of Mormon, the koran, or even secular poets, one can find similar inspiration.
No Chef your argument and proceeding comments fall flat, when you cannot answer your own initial query.
The bible has never been proven to be the inspired utterances of God. You simply cannot do it, without resorting to 'the bible tells me so'.
Danny
been doing a lot of reflecting lately, about my life and this crazy world.. fear has dominated my life.
i have barely lived because of it.
i just exist, that's about it.. when i was growing up, it was bullies at school.
Fellow Danman,
*** If I make it through this point in my life, I think I will be a much better person.***
You have already done it.
Seldom do you hear someone so far gone, on the brink of 'giving up', say the words you just did. We each feel all the downer's of life you listed, some to a greater extent than other's. It is that one ray of hope 'making it through this point in life' that keeps us all going. You are not unique Dan, join right in with the rest of us.
Stress imo is a direct result of fear. Fear of losing your job, creates daily anxiety. Couple that with all you mention, it is easy to dwell on.
Larc's attitude is very helpful........it is a formula that works for me, and it will for you as well.
From one Dan to another......just writing down your fear's is a step ahead, in getting past them.
Danny
just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.
due to too much ngeative talk.
possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.
Hawkaw,
Thanks. Really Simon is the one Bill Bowen et al should be appologizing to.
Without jwd promoting SL in the past, much of the work it has done, could not have moved ahead so readily.
After 20+ years out of the WT I guess I do consider myself still a victim, especially since my entire family is still in.
This whole affair with Bill Bowen/Franz etc, has done so much harm to all of us. Yet it has proved a point, that being, no one should be put up on a pedestal. A lesson we should of learned well as former victims of those who ride very high on 'pedestals' positioned by God himself........The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. If only God knew.
Danny
just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.
due to too much ngeative talk.
possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.
Simon,
***The link and banner to silentlambs has been up on this site for a long time and I have promoted the silentlambs cause, hosted video's of programmes, driven traffic to the SL site and generally been supportive***
An understatement in my view.
You should be getting kudo's for all you HAVE done, instead of all this heartache.
Danny
