Posts by DannyBear

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Why did I fall away from the truth???

by JNS2 in

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no, i don't think it is the "truth" any more, but for 22 years i did.

that is what makes this so very difficult to come to grips with, admitting that i wasted all that time as a mindless drone.

(borg) anyway, i've been trying to analyze why i have fallen away.

DannyBear

JN,

*** I felt like I had degenerated to mud slinging. I say this because what I posted wasn't really a fair picture. I had some good times in field service, not just driving around aimlessly looking for somewhere to go. It wasn't always "you got a call? I don't have any RV's left, I don't either". Sometimes I had very pleasant times in service. Sometimes I felt like I had productive times in service, talking to people about the Bible or the state of the world or whatever. I also enjoyed the meetings for the most part***

Your above comments made me take a step back, and reread my comments. You may have helped me to tone down my approach.

I have been out of the borg for more than 20 yrs now. Even so, I can still relate to what you just said.. I have said many times before on forums like this, that many of the things learned and experienced while a jw were in fact benefical. I to have fond memories of many activities they sponsored.

Yet these positives do not in anyway negate the facts. The wtbs is an incidious cult, that imprisons it's adherents to a life of servitude. My entire family is still confined. My fondest wish is for them to be set free. So every time I post I try and emphasize the glaring contradiction of this fanatical religion.

Any positives one can identify, are so pale in comparison with the negative effects, that I have chosen to keep hammering on the facts. The fact is the wtbs is a man-made, man inspired, mind numbing, religious cult in dire need of exposure.

Hope you can understand my motives.

Danny

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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"

by Kenneson in

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newsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.

a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.

"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.

DannyBear

Cassi said:

***There are priorities in life and if a person of the cloth has to agonize over reporting a deviant sexual abuser then there is something defiantly wrong with the laws of said religion, PERIOD.***

It is the issue of 'religious laws' that make this discussion so frustrating. What is it about special interest groups that gives them the license to legislate the majority? What motivates the concept that because we have 'the right' to OUR belief's, that other's must sacrifice thier freedom's to accomadate our views?

The moment the word 'religion' enter's the fray, sound reasoning, logic, is abandoned in the name of tolerance.

Cassi is so right on the mark. It is priorities that should motivate change. Not anyone's particular priorities but everyones.

Since abuse affects everyone no matter the religion or creed. Then it qualifies as a benchmark for an across the board method of handling. Dogma be damned.

As to this idea that 'innocent' should be willing to suffer and accept false accusations, imprisonment, in the name of 'protecting the children' is little different than the approach of the 'right to life' crowd, who will excuse murder in the name of protecting an unborn life. Fantatics breed fanatical reactions.

Danny

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Why did I fall away from the truth???

by JNS2 in

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friends

no, i don't think it is the "truth" any more, but for 22 years i did.

that is what makes this so very difficult to come to grips with, admitting that i wasted all that time as a mindless drone.

(borg) anyway, i've been trying to analyze why i have fallen away.

DannyBear

JN,

***When I think of driving around for all morning in field service or even all day, going all over town making return visits where noone was home, back & forth,***

Imagine the 1,000's of gallons of gasoline consumed (wasted) by jw's 'car groups' over the past 100+ year's. How many acres of forest have been sacrificied to the WT god, in the form of pulp for making paper?

Considering how quickly the Wt printed materials turn into 'old light', when if ever will the WTBS be held accountable for the henious amount of waste they have been responsible for?

What other publishing company, has ignored demand by actual reader's, and simply decided to print millions of copies of publications?

Armed with a salesforce of fanaticaly loyal non paid zealots, who will purchase at thier own expense every single copy of each and every publication, knowing they will probably trash a majority anyway, must give the publishing house, carte blanche as respests the quality and content of what they write. Think maybe?

Of course they must organize 'sales rally's' on a regular basis. At these 'conventions' they must build up anticipation for the 'new light' (which will be 'old' before the next rally), causing thier all volunteer sales force to stand in long lines, seeking (just one copy) of the new publication. 98% of these eager 'publisher's' knowing full well they will never even crack the book open, until they are back at their local sales headquarter's (KH), where they will find hundreds of copies of the same publication waiting for them to sell. Most will purchase thier entire allotment without ever reading a word of this new material.

Scam is just not the word. I can't think of a bigger rip off perpetuated on so many, for so long a period of time.

What is really sad, is so many of us did all of the above and more, without ever giving it a second thought. So JN join the rest of us who are simply glad, finally to have awakened to the ruse.

Glad you woke up.

Danny

19

Beer facts: Female hormones !

by Simon in

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ok, i know ... i'm running !

DannyBear

Yes, it's good to be a man

1. Your ass is never a factor in a job interview.
2. Your orgasms are real. Always.
3. Your last name stays put.
4. The garage is all yours.
5. Wedding plans take care of themselves.
6. You never feel compelled to stop a friend from getting laid.
7. Car mechanics tell you the truth.
8. You don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut.
9. Hot wax never comes near your pubic area.
10. Same work - more pay.
11. Wrinkles-add character.
12. You don't have to leave the room to make emergency crotch
adjustments.
13. Wedding Dress $2000; Tux rental $100.
14. If you retain water, it's in a canteen.
15. People never glance at your chest when you're talking to them.
16. New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.
17. One mood, ALL the damn time.
18. Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds.
19. A five-day vacation requires only 1 suitcase.
20. You can open all your own jars.
21. You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.
22. Your underwear is $10 for a three-pack.
23. If you are 34 and single, nobody notices.
24. You can quietly enjoy a car ride from the passenger's seat.
25. Three pairs of shoes are more than enough.
26. You can quietly watch a game with your buddy for hours without ever
thinking, "He must be mad at me."
27. No maxi-pads.
28. If another guy shows up at the party in the same outfit, you just
might become lifelong friends.
29. You are not expected to know the names of more than five colors.
30. You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a
bolt.
31. You are unable to see wrinkles in clothes.
32. The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades.
33. Your belly usually hides your big hips.
34. One wallet and one pair of shoes, one color, all seasons.
35. You can "do" your nails with a pocketknife.
36. Christmas shopping can be accomplished for 25 relatives, on December
24th, in 45 minutes.
37. The world is your urinal.

Ten Things men know for sure about women.
1. They have breasts.
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Author unknown.

10

The Garden of Eden

by JNS2 in

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when i started studying with the jws, the matter of whether the genesis account should be taken literally was glossed over quickly.

i think it was one of those "it'll be clearer later on, so let's continue with the study at hand".

it really was an issue for me even from the beginning because my work has always been in the science field.

DannyBear

Wind,

***It's interesting that you picked out that one sentence. It wasn't anything that my friend and I had discussed the other night. It was my after thought***

Sometimes Iam just a nit picker.

Thanks for explaining. Now why havn't the Watchtower Society of Everything Applies To Us org. latched onto your interpretation? They should it makes more sense than accepting the story as literal!!!!

Great ((((HUG)))) back at ya.

Danny

84

Officially Disassociated Tonight

by Princess in

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steve and i attended our very last meeting this evening.

i wrote a thread a few weeks ago about our elder visit and their decision to announce that we were disassociated.

they agreed to wait until we returned from our vacation so i could tell my grandma who still attends via phone link and so she wouldn't have to be alone in her devastation.

DannyBear

Well lets see, you guys have not attended a meeting in 7 year's, yet they (self-centered bastards that they are) decide your no longer a Jehovah's Witness. Funny how that all worked out.

Like Farkel said, it is alway's about THEM. Don't kid yourselves, your appearance at this meeting, provided them the most excitement they have had since 9-11. They all went home with renewed devotion, especially those sister's who alway's resented your fine body (the pierced belly b was classic) not to mention Steve, every single sister in that meeting was green with envy. They need, no absolutely require the 'righteous indignation' display to just tolerate thier sad pathetic lives.

So even though you two had a great time, you also provided them all they needed to perpetuate thier delusions.

I bet you don't feel one iota of guilt! What a grand exit.

Danny

10

The Garden of Eden

by JNS2 in

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friends

when i started studying with the jws, the matter of whether the genesis account should be taken literally was glossed over quickly.

i think it was one of those "it'll be clearer later on, so let's continue with the study at hand".

it really was an issue for me even from the beginning because my work has always been in the science field.

DannyBear

Sidd,

*** On the other hand the second tree had literal power it was not symbolic. ( That's why Jehovah had to drive them out of the Garden for fear that they might eat from the Tree of Life.) How does one invalidate the judgement of Death with a literal fruit from the tree of Life. Somethings wrong here.***

Excellent.

Of course we should count our blessing's. At least the WT has not applied the symbolisim of the Tree of Life, to some 1920's public talk or other insignificant 'declaration' made by Freddie Franz while gesticulating SQUaaaaaaSH! Or then again they probably have somewhere.

Danny

10

The Garden of Eden

by JNS2 in

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friends

when i started studying with the jws, the matter of whether the genesis account should be taken literally was glossed over quickly.

i think it was one of those "it'll be clearer later on, so let's continue with the study at hand".

it really was an issue for me even from the beginning because my work has always been in the science field.

DannyBear

Hi Windchaser,

Gaining insight into lifes issues can come from anywhere, eh? If the bible story to Cain and Abel helps your friend to be more careful about trusting, perhaps that is a good lesson.

I understood your comments about the alagory, but could you please explain this statement:

***That these were the things that happened in Heaven and are happening now. It's a lesson in life.***

I couldn't get the sense of what you were trying to say.

Danny

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The Garden of Eden

by JNS2 in

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friends

when i started studying with the jws, the matter of whether the genesis account should be taken literally was glossed over quickly.

i think it was one of those "it'll be clearer later on, so let's continue with the study at hand".

it really was an issue for me even from the beginning because my work has always been in the science field.

DannyBear

JN,

Suppose the thousands of references to family tree's, is evidence that the author knew that even his own comtemporaries would doubt it's (Garden of Eden) reality?

But if I was assigned the task to conjure up a story as to the origin of man, Genisis fills the bill quite nicely. No?

All neat and tidy, days of creation, man from the dust, woman from his rib, tree's with talking snakes (damn snakes have alway's caused the 'goose bumps'), no more garden, now we die. Wow probably the most answer ridden book of the entire Bible.

Why does Genesis stand out as one of the only books, that clearly states literaly what happened. If God did inspire this writing, why did he finish his message to mankind with the book of Revelation? Truly this final effort is in direct constrast to Genesis........a book that has caused more guessing, more dogma, more confusion, among Bible believer's. Surely the Supreme creator who ordaned his words to be written down, could have simplified matter's as regards the end of mankinds travails, with the same simple and 'God saw that it was good'.

Defender's of this fable, must tell me, what happened to this straight forward story teller of Genesis vs the absolute chaos of the rest of the Bible's message to man.

Danny

Edited by - DannyBear on 9 January 2003 19:22:43

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The Book of Daniel

by SwedishChef in

the following was written by professor johseph d. wilson, d. d., and is about the prophecies and criticism of the book of daniel.

it was published in the four volume book series called "the fundamentals.".

modern objections to the book of daniel were started by german scholars who were prejudiced against the supernatural.

DannyBear

Farkel,

I forgot about Freddie's custom of carrying 'all those pens in his pocket'........LOL

If there ever was a symbol for 'geek', it should be the picture of Frederick Franz. Although like you infer, one must somehow admire(?).....Nah.....how about acknowledge his fanatical tenacity.

You had the assistance of our friend Jack D and other mind altering chems, but poor little Freddie could only rely on 'spirit direction'. Whatever spirit latched on to him, his 'spirit directed' gibberish is now day by day becoming a thorn in the side of WTBS.

Very similar to Russell in so many ways. 1886 over 4 million copies of his book The Divine Plan of The Ages had been distributed. I wonder how many Babylong The Greatest Freddie get credit for?

Anyway I keep going back and rereading your THEM paragraph again, and each time the reality sinks even deeper, (it helps when your slow) Jdubs are the most self serving, self aggrondizing, elitists, that ever appeared in the religious arena! No doubt.

Danny