when i dropped off my daughter the other day at the daycare, there was a little boy sitting on the floor crying.
almost everyday there's at least one kid doing that... pining away for their mommy... so i didn't think much of it.
they stop crying soon enough.
Tj,
I can still very vividly remember my first day at school, I was that little boy sitting on the steps crying unconsolably.
The very first trauma of being forcibly removed from mother's protection, is to say the least painful. And I do recall that it was another classmate that directed my attention to 'finger painting' that got my mind off the horror.
Your description of your daughter's attentiveness was priceless.
Danny
the avg jw when confronted with pass issues such as not going to college, setting up retirement plans while you are 23 for when you get 65, seeking a better paying job will often try to hide behind
"it was a personal decision".
while in one context that is true, there is one problem.
Mary,
Lmao on the 'hologram' comment. No matter how they try, they will never be able to hide the evidence......
Danny
the avg jw when confronted with pass issues such as not going to college, setting up retirement plans while you are 23 for when you get 65, seeking a better paying job will often try to hide behind
"it was a personal decision".
while in one context that is true, there is one problem.
Hello Waiting,
**** I didn't know about the WT paying to school their own lawyers at that time. Hypocrites.****
My nephew was one of these.......he now enjoy's flying all around the world, as the Societies 'human rights' advocate.
He (my nephew) has the looks, the personality, that the wtbs elite wanted to use for their own self agrondizing needs. Yeah do as we say...............the jw rank and file are played for real shmucks.
Danny
in january, 1876, when he was 23 years old, russell received a copy of the herald of the morning, an adventist magazine published by nelson h. barbour of rochester, new york.
one of the distinguishing features of barbour's group at that time was their belief that christ returned invisibly in 1874, and this concept presented in the herald captured russell's attention.
it meant that this adventist splinter group had not remained defeated, as others had, when christ failed to appear in 1874 as adventist leaders had predicted; somehow this small group had managed to hold onto the date by affirming that the lord had indeed returned at the appointed time, only invisibly.
No. Yes.
The commonality of all adventist, fundementalist, religious beliefs are predicated on one trait; CLAIMS of recieving special insight from god. Russell even allowed his wife to apply the moniker of the 'faithful and discreet slave' to himself. Of course to appear humble he tried to assert a humble denial, but most all of Bible Students of his day considered him to be the fds.
It is amazing how attaching words like chosen, selected, sanctified, holy, spirit begotten, along with isolated references to mysterious pyramids, historical events, and a little prophecying, can mesmerize and attract millions ot follow your every word.
Russell, Rutherford, Franz, were very good at it.
Danny
howcome the wts does not include personal testimonies in their meetings (i mean, ones that have not been edited by the writing department)?
oftentimes when i am preparing for an instructional course, i go looking for a sample completed form.
in order that my students are not led astray, i try and find the perfect sample.
blondie,
****If their testimony falls outside those rules (where I have attended), the WT conductor, book study conductor, and any other brother calling on people in the audience, "mark" that person as a loose cannon****
That is exactly what happens at every congregation world wide. Of course you get an occassional elder, who has a special fondness for one of the 'loose cannons'......he may allow them to spout off every now and then......but usually it is for comic relief.
In other words the 'loose cannon' has to be somewhat inoccuous and whatever comment outside the proscribed wt speak, can be quickly/effortlessly diverted by the conductor.
Danny
howcome the wts does not include personal testimonies in their meetings (i mean, ones that have not been edited by the writing department)?
oftentimes when i am preparing for an instructional course, i go looking for a sample completed form.
in order that my students are not led astray, i try and find the perfect sample.
Pork Chop,
I will wager those 'personal testimonies' are all very according to watchtower standards, eh? Relating some experience from the 'door to door' work, applying some watchtower advice in the workplace, in other words scripted!
Danny
let me start out by saying that i would like nothing better than to see the society totally disappear one day and lose its controlling grip upon its members.
this forum is probably one of the most frequented sites for doubting jws and lurkers so i think it is important to be as skilled at combating the witnesses as is possible.
not every argument made against someone or something is a good one.
Inquiry,
Thanks for your reasoned reply.
**** It's also representative of a community, one that has little cohesive representation outside of this forum or others like it. I don't think it's going too much further on Bradleys suggestion of credibility to point out the benefits of that credibility and I wanted to show how it can apply here, not that it has to, just that it can.****
I agree. Credibiity is often the deciding factor as to whether the messenger and his message is accepted or not.
I think jwd is growing more credible every day. Efforts to curtail rankor and strife among the membership, to allow everyone equal opportunity to express themselves will allow for this (jwd) venue to be more successful than it's predecessors.
****Establishing credibility and using it are important steps in that process. And this forum, be it deliberate or not, coheses a group of people with similar interests, not the least of which is bringing about that change or remedy to a troubling and frustrating situation.****
Repition for emphasis.
****IMO we have little hope of changing the moral climate inside the WT.****
I have always felt this way. Reformation of the tenents of this cult is a pipe dream.
As regards the dollar bill/coinage of the USA depicting the expression "In God We Trust", it has become as meaningful as the expression 'God Bless America'........even known athiests can use the expression without compromising their beliefs. In other words it's just an emotional plea for solidarity and unity.
Jw's use all sorts of similar coloquialisims, their kingdom melodies song book are full of such prose.
A pleasure to have shared a few comments with you.
Danny
howcome the wts does not include personal testimonies in their meetings (i mean, ones that have not been edited by the writing department)?
oftentimes when i am preparing for an instructional course, i go looking for a sample completed form.
in order that my students are not led astray, i try and find the perfect sample.
Mizpah,
I remember the days when you had to create from scratch a public talk or service meeting part. Along about the mid 70's that all started to change.
I think it is why so many do everything in their power not to attend meetings. They must now be totally bereft of any personality or creativity.
I can honestly remember having fun creating demonstrations, skits, etc in those early days. One of the last parts I had assigned to me was a 1/2 hour talk at a circuit assembly......the DO made everyone with an assigned talk, deliver it in front of him before the actual event.
Paranoia was setting in then..........can't imagine how scripted everything must be nowadays.
Danny
let me start out by saying that i would like nothing better than to see the society totally disappear one day and lose its controlling grip upon its members.
this forum is probably one of the most frequented sites for doubting jws and lurkers so i think it is important to be as skilled at combating the witnesses as is possible.
not every argument made against someone or something is a good one.
Mr Kim,
Iam becoming very fond of your brevity and succinct replies. In other words I like you.
Danny
Ps. And I do think (especially) in the case of wtbs it is quite safe to 'generalize' many observations about their misconduct.......thank you.
the avg jw when confronted with pass issues such as not going to college, setting up retirement plans while you are 23 for when you get 65, seeking a better paying job will often try to hide behind
"it was a personal decision".
while in one context that is true, there is one problem.
JT,
Just read your other thread wherein you posted Ray's comments.........
2. For all practical purposes the "faithful slave" requires Jehovah's Witnesses to act as if it were infallible.
So true.
