Being on restrictions is another way of embarrasing people & making them look like children being sat with the dunces cap on. For a brother showing up to a field service group it is a challenge. Sometimes in our hall, the elder wouldn't show up & the phone would ring with said elder asking that a sister say a prayer for the group. Talk about making the brother embarrased! They treat people like kids. Mind you, more fool anyone for tolerating this treatment. It's a bit like thanking someone for spitting in your face.
jambon1
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For those who were on restrictions: Did it bother you not to comment?
by truthseeker ini'm curious to know if not beng able to comment at meetings was something you felt badly about if you were on restrictions.. i don't comment anyway, but i hardly think not being able to comment is a "restriction" in itself.. .
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Wife caught me on this site - have to remember to Logoff Witness 007!
by Witness 007 inmy wife burst into the computer room and found me {gasp} talking with apostates on this site!
now she doesn't go witnessing anymore and only very rarely goes to a meeting...but talking to apostates is not on!
i quickly closed down but had to log-off later so she doesn't find out that iam "witness 007.
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jambon1
I have tried to educate my wife in this area. I will only call these websites & forums 'ex-witness' sites, not apostate websites. The society have used a word to strike the fear of god into people. You have to try to undo the stigma. I always mention that these are people in a position similar to me. It sort of lessens the blow.
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Did you ever see a brother so keen to be a CO that it was painfull to watch
by jambon1 inclimbing the jw ladder is so important to some of the zealous, childless, jw couples.
to reach the goal there seemed to be untold amounts of political intrigue, arse licking & generally being a pious knob end.
loved by few, hated by most.
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Climbing the JW ladder is so important to some of the zealous, childless, JW couples. To reach the goal there seemed to be untold amounts of political intrigue, arse licking & generally being a pious knob end. Loved by few, hated by most. Any experiences of such conduct?
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My conversation with a Born Again.
by yourmomma ini spoke with a born again today.
i am wondering if this person represents how they all think or just some.
i'll assume just some.
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jambon1
I dof my cap to anyone who believes this stuff & still wants to worship 'it/him/her/god'. It's worth remembering that the OT AND the new testament are loaded with pronouncements against non-believers. Scary stuff if you don't remember that it is only milleniums old b/s written by people in caves.
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Were the Cananites evil or were they simply destroyed for their land?
by jambon1 infrom the jw's/bible standpoint, was there good reason for 'god' to wipe out the cananite nation or was it just to give the jews the promised land?
please help me with this one if you can.
thanks.
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From the JW's/bible standpoint, was there good reason for 'god' to wipe out the Cananite nation or was it just to give the jews the promised land? Please help me with this one if you can. Thanks.
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From Rutherford -2008 Watchtower ="dont have kid's till after Armagedon!"
by Witness 007 inyes i thought rutherford's policy on kid's was dead and the society had wised up....until i read the new "witnesses only" watchtower study magazine...compare.. rutherford's last book "children" 1942 = p.281 "wait until after armagedon to bring children into the world...it is only afew years before the other sheep are gathered to the lord, until armagedon...those with infants during armagedon will have greater woe...it would be a far greater difficulty to care for them during the tribulation.".
watchtower 2008 april 15 p.19 {picture of a middle aged couple witnessing with question: why do some christian couples decide not to have children?
} paragraph 12 "single or childless for a noble purpose.....numerous couples have decided to remain childless....they often do so to remain freer to serve jehovah...they are willing to place kingdom interests above some of the privileges that go with marriage...jehovah will not forget their work, and the love they show for his name...there will be a great tribulation...doubtless, it will be a difficult time for all of us-adults and children alike.".
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It's sad that some choose to follow this b/s advice. What happens when they become old & ill like all the other WT generations of 'hopefulls'? It might dawn on them that they were silly to be lead by the ideas of men.
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Appalling Mind Control Comment from CO
by betweenworlds ini just came across this comment by someone from a group i belong to .
we just had the visit of our co...his wife made this comment to me:.
"'as i was reading the very powerful articles in the last public issue of the wt with study articles...i couldn't help but imagine that the brothers are waving a goodbye to people!'...
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jambon1
All of these kind of comments got me thinking when i was a JW. It took time & I confided in no-one regarding my thoughts about what was said from the platform. For certain JW's, it is stuff like this that simply chips away at their 'spirituality'. Anyone worth their salt eventually realises that stuff like this is out of order. Bring it on I say.
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Iran - to Stone To Death 2 Sisters
by Rabbit inhttp://snafu-ed.blogspot.com/2008/02/iranian-sisters-to-be-stoned-to-death.html.
this is not a 'muslim bashing' thread.
it is a perfect example why old words, found in caves, written by someone you don't know...in a desert far, far away can be dangerous.. turkey, a 98% muslim country is a secular country.
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jambon1
Filth! No other word for it. Unfortunately, I have watched stoning videos on the web. It was one of the most terrible things I have ever seen. Religion sucks. All of it.
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Two years out of the org for me. What I have learned & accepted about life!
by jambon1 inif i had written this a year ago, i would be writting different comments about my observations.. yet, that is the pivotal point for me.
that is the reason why i could never have remained a jw.
my point?
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Isn't life a wee bit strange? If I had written this a year ago, I would be writting different comments about my observations.
Yet, that is the pivotal point for me. That is the reason why I could never have remained a JW. My point? - Life changes your opinions. You don't always have the same opinion about something now, that you had when you were 18.
But the WTS asks you to take an oath. To 'swear' to believe something forever. Isn't that a bit silly?
When I was 18 and new in the truth, you couldn't stop me. I really felt like I believed it at one time. As I progressed, I pioneered & became a m/s. I was zealous.
But, very quickly, as my responsibilities changed in life, I started to change my views on certain matters. And, because the WTS dictates your views on almost every tiny little matter in life, I found myself having inner conflicts all the time. I was having to give talks on the platform, to say words that I started to question, to doubt.
At the time this was very difficult. In actual fact, my mental stability was on the rocks because I was thinking so deeply about lots of different matters, My opinions and views were changing and there was nothing that I could do about it.
But that is what I have come to accept about life. You change! And rather than fighting it, you should embrace it.
At the moment, I can look back at how I thought as an 'inactive non-returning person' & I can honestly say that my views have chaged between then & now. It's only 2 years. But I am learning & changing all the time.
The important thing is to make the changes positive ones.
I have been down a very rocky road in the last 2 years & I have only been emptionally stable for about the last 6 months. Its only in recent weeks that I have reached a sort of epithany regarding how I should properly deal with my family circumstances as an ex-JW. It has been hard. But after reading this site (and others), doing a lot of thinking & a lot of crying & arguing, you eventually get there.
After that wee ramble, I suppose I am saying that my main observation of life is that you should never say never. My thoughts & opinions now will not be the same when I am 70. But as long as I am living by being true to myself, I will be happy. Don't be something you don't want to be.
Trying to be something that I couldn't? It almost killed me. Literally.
PS - Can I just add that humour & not taking youself too seriously are other major factors.
I wish you the all the bst on your journey.
Slainte!
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The night I decided my C.O. was an apostate
by Olin Moyles Ghost inthe following took place several years ago in a congregation in the united states.
we had this circuit overseer who was a real piece of work.
40-ish mts grad, i believe.
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The job of a CO must be surreal. One minute you are all wrapped up in the goo and adoration of gods organisation. The next, you are dealing with 2 or 3 warring factions in a congregation. Having to listen to people manipulating their situation as the ones who are right. We had a few congregation splits. It all stems from a culture of people who are suspicious, judgemental & crafty.