Shunning family members because they had sex with an unmarried person or some other trivial matter.
Disgusting.
jambon1
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What was your final straw that broke your back in terms of doctrine?
by ukescott inas ex-mormon, my exposure to a different version of the first vision story which was quite different from the offical first vision was my beginning way out of mormonism.
what about you ex-jw's?
what, in terms of wt doctrine, made you realize that the wt is a fraud?.
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How Often Do You Pray?
by Anitar ini know this might sound silly, but one of the most annoying things i find about my mom being a jw is how often she prays.
normally, i would never criticize someone for praying to god, but she prays in such a way that makes me angry for some reason.
let me explain:.
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jambon1
"Thank you God Jehovah for this beautiful day, thank you for the air in my lungs, I thank you for this beautiful food through your son Jesus Christ amen,"
Just a side point.
Why do people say thank you to 'god' for food when there are millions of people starving in other countries because gods 'perfect creation' doesnt yield for them there?
Saying thank you for food is extreemly egocentric, introverted, even selfish. Mind you, so is religion in general. "Thank you god for my health, my food and my home" - Eh? What about all the ill, the starving and the homeless?
Did people in Indonesia pray "thank you god for sweeping away my beutiful children, my home and all my lifes belongings in that lovely tsunami. Thank you, thank you and thrice, thank you!"
Such crap!
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JW's speak about the method used to kill people at armageddon
by jambon1 injust how is it all going to happen?
i mean, you dont have to be a friggin rocket scientist to work out the logistics of 6 billion+ corpses on the face of the earth!
to be honest, i know its a lot of bullshit but it intrigues/angers me to think back to some of the ludicrous converstaions i overheard regarding the murder of 6 billion+ people in the 'near' future.
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jambon1
Just how is it all going to happen?
I mean, you dont have to be a friggin rocket scientist to work out the logistics of 6 billion+ corpses on the face of the earth! To be honest, I know its a lot of bullshit but it intrigues/angers me to think back to some of the ludicrous converstaions I overheard regarding the murder of 6 billion+ people in the 'near' future. Just a couple of examples;
- One brother was obsessed about the actual process. He actually wanted to see the killing going on.
- Another conversation went exactly like this - "he will just take the breath away from them, it wont be cruel". (slightly different from the depictions in the mags, I know).
- The talks that were given, relating to scriptures talking about the big day were just bizarre. I always thought that if I was a visiting person I would be listening and thinking 'WTF'.
Its all just laughable when you think about it now really. But these conversations are an insult to humanity. I dont think they realise what they are actually saying. Its that bad.
Did you ever hear such conversations where people seemed almost gleefull about peoples 'imminent' destruction?
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A reminder on Shunning family members again in the January 15th Watchtower!
by Gill injanuary 15th watchtower 2007 'remaining steadfast when a child rebels'.
'when discipline is severe'.
'if your child is unrepentant and is a baptized christian, he may receive the strongest form of discipline - being disfellowhipped from the congregation.
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jambon1
They never cease to amaze me with this cruel, heartless, bullshit.
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Do elders and ministerial servants really put their family 1st?
by jambon1 inwhen i stopped going to meetings i immediately found myself spending more time with my kids.
no sunday/monday evenings preparing talks.
no fri/sat preparing the wt.
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jambon1
When I stopped going to meetings I immediately found myself spending more time with my kids. No Sunday/Monday evenings preparing talks. No Fri/Sat preparing the WT. Not to mention the hours of time getting ready for and going out knocking doors of empty houses. I was a m/s when I left.
It really does bring in to question the idea that the family doesnt suffer from a brother being an m/s or elder.I think they really do have less time and energy for making decent time for their kids. In our cong their was very few taking the lead which meant that the appointed guys were having talks/book studies/groups for f/s etc, every week, without fail. The pressure on my family and my general outlook was significant.
Anyone else know any overworked brothers whos family rarely see them? Or is it just common where there is a lack of brothers in an area.
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Yahweh Loves Children! (warning: some sarcasm present)
by ringo5 inwhenever i feel myself slipping into a good mood, i can always do some good ol' testament reading, and follow it up with a chaser of wts spin.
it's a sure-fire way to fuel the apostate-fire that's a' brewing inside.. the account of david and bathsheba, while basically a good sex yarn, gets real sick and twisted at the end, and guess who is the sick and twisted surprise star?
yahweh!
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jambon1
Its this kind of thing that really got me asking questions of 'god'.
They told me to read my bible daily. I really did at one time. Then after a short time I left the org as a result.
Great work brothers!
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How would you describe yourself since leaving the borg?
by hambeak infor me i found myself more involved politically and in community and business affairs.
not as cynical as i once was and not as judgemental as when i was a jw.
also more empathetic about people and finally able to see some beauty in the world.
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jambon1
Happier~non-judgemental~free~no guilt about being a bad person~less strung out and weary~positive about life & other people
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Little children deserve to die at Armageddon
by jambon1 infor the life of me, i cannot work this one out.
it disturbed me when i was a jw and it now just makes me plain angry.. here are some comments from ministerial servants & elders on this subject, which i heard when i was in:.
"you know, a while ago, people used to object to the idea of children dying at armageddon but nowadays there is a spirit in kids (massive generalisation), which just seems to make them fit for destruction.
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jambon1
For the life of me, I cannot work this one out. It disturbed me when I was a JW and it now just makes me plain angry.
Here are some comments from ministerial servants & elders on this subject, which I heard when I was in:
"You know, a while ago, people used to object to the idea of children dying at armageddon but nowadays there is a spirit in kids (massive generalisation), which just seems to make them fit for destruction. I think people see that now." Comments in brackets mine.
"They would only grow up with the characteristics of their worldly parents. There is no place for them in the new system"
"At one time children were innocent, now they are not. They have to go"
"I know. Sometimes I have wondered whether it is right for Jehovah to kill the children but we have to trust that it is the right thing to do"
Some of these comments, no doubt turn your stomach. I promise you, these are in no way exagerated. How can a human being possible continue to hold to such a vile, ignorant, cruel belief? We all probobly have families that believe that bullshit too. Doesnt it infuriate you?
In the above comments we see no room for compassion, for the thought of trying to readjust 'erring' youths. Just death. Thats it! That will sort out the problems! They deserve it!
FFS man. What cruel, heartless bastards they really are.
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Feeling bad for doing normal things - SLIGHT ADULT CONTENT
by jambon1 ini was reading the article in the nov awake about musterbation (not a typo, i just hate that word & have to rephrase it)!!.
it took me back to the days as a young man who had normal feelings of a sexual nature.
new in the truth and fighting, with every fibre of my being, (at least in the beginning) against the idea of having a ham shank.
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jambon1
I was reading the article in the Nov awake about Musterbation (not a typo, I just hate that word & have to rephrase it)!!
It took me back to the days as a young man who had normal feelings of a sexual nature. New in the truth and fighting, with every fibre of my being, (at least in the beginning) against the idea of having a ham shank. I can recall doing it on many an occasion and then feeling unbelievably deflated, depressed, dirty, etc, etc.
Honestly, the morning after, I felt like the biggest, most evil person on the face of the planet. Of course, down the line, I really never bothered but being young and stupid (even to join the religion in the 1st place), I had quite a few years of guilt about this kind of stuff. You know, you sideways glance at a ladys tits and you think your world is about to fall apart.
But, by extension, this feeling of 'being a bad person' stems into many, many other areas of the young JW`s life, does it not. After participating in actually quite normal, harmless things, you feel like a regal peice of $hit!
Like, going to a footy game, watching a movie, enjoying some song on the radio, watching TV, hiring a DVD. The list goes on and on and on.
This makes you realise just how they have got virtually every aspect of life covered, every corner. And, how, people are basically 'mind punished' for participating in the normal things of life. Its a real shame. Because generations are growing up with feelings of low self-worth, depression & anxiety, when they should be enjoying the best days of their lives.
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Not good, not good at all
by lola28 inhi guys,.
sorry to burden you all with this but i really have no one that i want to talk about this with, i'm afraid that i will burst into tears and wont be able to stop if i call any of my friends and tell them what's going on.
my little sister has been ill with a fever for three weeks, her doctor kept telling her it was just a bad case of the flu and that she had an ear infection, he gave her antibiotics and sent her home.
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jambon1
So sorry to hear that.
You are all in my thoughts at least.
J