Thanks so very much for posting this, definitely reactionary mode! I have asked a similar question on JWS.
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We are not false prophets
by Cook My Socks UK inbelow is the outline for a talk on the service meeting this week, i guess to help ones to answer the objection / accusation - how would you refute, if this reasoning was used by a jw at your door?.
have not jehovahs witnesses made errors in their teachings?.
jehovahs witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets.
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JW view of the Bible vs WT publications
by brotherdan ini recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what i had suspected about the jw claim to trust only in the bible.. my father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized.
he eventually joined the army and served his country in vietnam.
after his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a jw.. fast forward to a few months ago.
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Great thread and I always appreciate Terry's thought process.
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YMCA now I am mad!!!
by loosie ini talked to a current jw today and he told me that it came out in print from the wtbts that you can be a memebr of the ymca as long as you don't associate with the other worldlys that go there..
omg!!!
just a few years ago i was told that i couldn't be at the ymca because it was a christian org.. .
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I guess about six months ago my wife who was studying at the time joined the Y, well I think she had her membership card or the membership materials out when the dubbette came over for the study, next week there was printed watchtower material sitting on the table, the following week my wife terminated the membership.....she was brought up in a JW household, so pretty much what the wt says goes......no change that I have seen, but the change in the name has intrigued my wife and she is wondering if it is no longer a Christian organization....will be interesting!
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Brooklyn Daily Eagle - Historically Speaking:A Century of Jehovahs Witnesses
by Gayle inhttp://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=23&id=35052.
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Thanks for the link Gayle!
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DOES THE BIBLE really really EXIST?
by Terry inthe bible did not exist in jesus' day nor in the lifespan of his apostles.. people didn't walk around with one (bible) tucked under their arm.. christians didn't carry one (bible) door to door for preaching and teaching.. the closest thing to the bible was the septuigint greek translation of hebrew scriptures which not one person in a 10,000 had ever seen!.
creation of the septuagint (wikipedia article).
...in the third century bce[6].
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I have a lot of reading here to do, so good to see you Terry, you have great ideas and insight!
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JWS is a fraud...
by vilot inwes and april started an exjw discussion board thinking simon would end this board...it attracted many new members and grew into a bit hit in the exjw world...but a funny thing happened they started to ask for funds to keep the site up and asked for donations they poured in and yet it was not enough they keep ask and the funds keep pouring in...month after month and yet it was never enough...then it dawned on the members they were just pocketing the money and holding the members hostage..."send money or the site will go down"...they kept sending and they kept pocketing the money.... .
avoid these people like the plage they will just rip you off and pocket the money....
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April and Wes stood up the site to be a friendly community for folks who need assistance. This site has many more members and really a very deep pool of resources, but due to the smaller size of JWS, it seems that there are really some strong and wonderful relationships there.
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"the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies"
by nicolaou inthat's the incredible statement made by the watchtower in 2007.
(*** g 11/07 p. 8 4. scientific accuracy ***) it's nothing new though, they've been churning out variations on this theme for decades .
1951 *** w51 6/1 p. 325 par.
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Recieved the following from Terry Walstrom (I think) about three years ago and thought it may be germane to this thread.
Here's some food for thought, many JW's point out that the bible isn't a scientific text book, but when it comments on science its always correct.
They site many examples to try and prove this. Here's some you can throw back at them:
Leviticus 11:6 states that rabbits chew their cud.
Leviticus 11:20-23 speaks of four-legged insects, including grasshoppers.
1 Chronicles 16:30 and Psalm 93:1 state that the earth is immobile; yet it not only revolves and orbits the sun but is also influenced by the gravitational pull of other bodies.
In Genesis 1, Adam is created after other animals; In Genesis 2, he appears before animals.
Here's another point to ponder; in Gensis 2 Adam is said to have named all the animals, then Eve is created, then in Gensis 5, it says that Adam was 120 years old when he had Seth. Now lets think about this for a second, according to Richard Dwakins there are about 40 million unique species on the earth today, now given that most of them have evolved from a common anstestor recently like the many breeds of dogs, I think its safe to reduce that number to around 1 million. If you were to do nothing but name one animal ever 30 seconds 12 hours a day it would take you over 120 years to finish this task for 1 million species.
Lets look at some specific points that witness use to prove the bible:
Claim: The Bible says the earth is round, showing that its authors were inspired to understand science beyond their time.
The passage saying the earth is round is Isaiah 40:22:
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
This passage may reasonably be interpreted as referring to a flat circular earth with the heavens forming a dome above it. Such an interpretation is consistent with other passages of the Bible which refer to a solid firmament (Gen. 1:6-20, 7:11; Ezekiel 1:22-26; Job 9:8, 22:14, etc.). It is also consistent with the cosmology common in neighboring cultures. Indeed the catholic church for many years taught that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth (see above). Isaiah 11:12 refers to the "four quarters of the earth", but we do not take that as indicative of the earth's shape. There are other instances where the bible's passages would suggest a flat earth, think of when Satan took Jesus to the top of a high moutain and showed him "all the kingdoms of the earth". I'm sure that there are many more passages like this.
Lets look at one more claim: The Bible describes medical and sanitary practices remarkable for the time. It says you should bury your excrement (Deut. 23:13). It requires people to wash themselves after touching a dead body (Numbers 19:11-22). It notes that the eighth day after birth is the safest time to perform circumcisions <http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH135_1.html> (Gen. 17:12; Lev. 12:2-3).
Responce: Accuracy on one point does not show overall accuracy. Genesis 30:25-33, for example, describes a breeding program based on sympathetic magic. Deuteronomy 23:9-14 is not about hygiene. The purpose of burying excrement is so God will not be offended by seeing anything indecent and turn away. The idea is religious; uncleanliness would make one unfit for a religious war. There is also a danger that exposed excrement could be found by the enemy and used magically against one (Scott 1979).Numbers 19:11-22 is not about hygiene. It refers to ritual purification conducted by sprinkling water, not washing with it. The purification is to be done not immediately after touching the body, as good health practice would demand, but on the third and seventh days. Whoever fails to perform the ritual is unclean and must be ostracized from Israel. Basically, it is a superstitious taboo. Similar taboos against people who have touched dead bodies appear to be universal in Polynesia (Frazer 1993, 206). Furthermore, unless they have died from pestilence or have been decaying for a few days, dead bodies are no less clean than live ones. The Bible does not include directives that really would indicate good medical practices, such as burying feces downhill from the source for drinking water, and washing ones hands in clean water in circumstances that really would prevent spreading dangerous germs. Attributing a requirement of some special knowledge to account for knowledge of good health practices assumes the ancient Hebrews were idiots. People can often see the results that come from bad practices.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-10-10 WT Study (PRAYER/BIBLE STUDY)
by blondie inquotes from other sources will headed by quotes.
w = watchtower.
3:16, 17) of course, the bible.
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Great job again Blondie, always appreciate your hard work, often forget to say thanks!
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Glad to see you here DS, appreciate your posts on JWR!
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-03-10 WT Study (YOUR PRAYERS)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 01-03-2010 wt study (november 15, 2009, pages 3-7)(your prayers).
review comments will be in red or headed by comments.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
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Thanks Blondie, as always your efforts are very appreciated!
I have not been on here in a few weeks, what is most amazing to me is one does not need to sensationalize what is written, one just needs to read it and really think about what it says.
You just can not make this stuff up!