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  What Is The Position Of Witnesses For People Who Are Inactive And Don’t Want To Be Bothered By Anyone?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i used to have some close friends simply pay me a friendly visit or call to see how i was doing.. i am curious as to whether or not the society instructed witnesses to no longer check on inactive ones and treat them as marked or disfellowshipped..

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  I think the elders still are requested to contact all inactive ones in their area before Memorials. Whether they bother - I don't know. It depends on the bodies of elders - many are too busy / lazy to make much of an effort.

  I left over 10 years ago - faded , not DFd - and I haven't been contacted by JWs since then , either door-to door or a "shepherding" request. The few JWs that I know still say hi if I see them around the town but the personnel in my old congregation has changed considerably since I left ( and reduced by about a third in attendance. )

  I think probably the elders make a distinction , either consciously or sub-consciously between those who are "weak" ( those who perhaps still believe it is the truth & drift around on the very edge of the organisation ) and those who clearly have seen through the hypocrisy and have formally walked away.
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  Transparency in Field Service Hours

  by Earnest in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i notice that in the recent instructions for new regular pioneers (2020-08-s-236-e) it lists a number of assignments for which a pioneer can be credited (up to 75) hours in a month.. these include:construction oversight, assembly hall oversight, assembly oversight, and convention oversight, as well as serving as temporary volunteers at bethel, commuter bethelites, remote volunteers, bethel consultants, hospital liaison committee members, patient visitation group members, disaster relief committee members, local design/construction department field representatives and maintenance trainers, and so forth.

  approved assignments also include assisting with kingdom hall construction when such is done at the request of the branch office or its representatives overseeing the project, assisting with pre and post-assembly or convention work, assisting with work at assembly halls, conducting or participating in congregation meetings held in prison, as well as attendance at a theocratic school or class .

  when i was pioneering and doing pre and post-assembly work i was told i could include the time spent working in my monthly report, which i did.

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  The credits were a "godsend" to many pioneers , particularly those who always struggled to get their time in.

  A relative of mine worked several days a week on a big Assembly Hall refurbishment for a couple of years and basically did hardly any ministry other than an occasional token hour on a Saturday morning , yet kept his pioneer status. When I asked him why he didn't just come off the pioneer list and go back on when the refurb had finished, he got quite agitated. The label of pioneer clearly meant a lot to him.
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  IICSA and NO apologies regarding child abuse

  by Fadeaway1962 in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-child-abuse-sex-18717755 .

  no collective regret or any acknowledgement that child sexual abuse had happened among jws..

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  Some of the other religions did apologise - it isn't really a concern over a legal liability , it is more of a general attitude that they regard themselves as Jehovah's organisation so they regard themselves as ( effectively ) royalty so like the Queen they "never apologise , never explain".

  My father used to be good friends with one of the London Bethel branch committee and he told me that the branch member said that the very guarded admission of a degree of culpability over 1975 issued in 1980 was about as close as you would ever get to an apology from the Society.
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  The mormon church(The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)

  by asp59 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  anyone here thats a former mormon?

  a person in the internet wrote abouth them.

  that community could not be more impressive in its cohesion, sincerity, benevolence, decency, patriotism, and faith.. i seen mormons go from house to house before the convid virus.they always seem cheerful.

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  https://www.exmormon.org/ is another interesting site. Actually many of the experiences there are very similar to JWs. Its just another religion / MLM business ( with a compulsory 10% "tithe" ) with roots in 19th century America - albeit with some pretty crazy ideas. An ex-mormon once described it as like the "JW religion on magic mushrooms". Its probably a fair description.

  Two of the Mormon missionaries , single guys in their early 20's from Utah , rented a room in a friend's home during their 2 year assignment to my town and I recall having a couple of interesting conversations with them. Whenever you took them out of their comfort zone ( for example , enquiring about why portions of the Book of Mormon are word for word copied from the King James Version despite allegedly being written hundreds of years previously ) they just got the rabbit in the headlights look and were totally disinterested , even to the point of hostility , in anything that caused any questioning of their faith and their religious leaders past and present.

  I actually felt a bit sorry for the guys - they were anything but cheerful in their missionary work and I got the impression that it was something of a rite of passage and they were privately counting the days when they could go home to Utah , marry a pretty Mormon girl and have a family and a normal working life.
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  Latest awake on JW.org

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the latest awake (no 3 2020) on jw.org is just breathtaking, it's about prejudice and gives the following 3 examples which i will one by one attemp to debunk.. awake - some employers have mistakenly believed that women are unqualified for scientific or technical jobs.. erm... women are not only forbidden from elder or m/s appointment, they're not even considered qualified enough to adjust the height of a brother's microphone, you were saying?.....

  awake - in medieval europe, jews were falsely accused of poisoning wells and spreading disease.

  during nazi rule, jews were again slandered.

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  Good spot.

  The comments about prejudice against Jews are somewhat ironic , considering Judge Rutherfords disastrous "Declaration of Facts" in 1933. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Facts

  It says , in part:

  " It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: 'The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.' "
  
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  The Black Goat in the JW Covid-19 Report - 2020 Governing Body Update #5

  by Oh-my-God in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did you notice this?

  2020 governing body update #5. https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/docid-702020307_1_video.

  why do they show the black goat in the picture?

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  Is that the Angolan branch? Guess it will be closed soon anyway and sold off. Anybody want to buy a goat - sorry , ibex wooden figure?
  
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  Jehovah's house for Sale?

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when i drive by the kingdom hall i grew up attending at but, was sold directly to a church, i get angry.

  the elders who handled the sale didn't even remove the watchtower shaped bricks on each side of the sign near the street so, now they advertise for a baptist church.

  how many times as i grew up i heard things like: you should not do work ( such as clean carpets for a church) you wouldn't want to work at a cigarette making plant or a facility that makes bombs for the military.

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  UK sales website

  https://ibsaproperty.com/
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  Another Unnecessary Early Death

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a young man in somerset in england, under massive pressure from financial and relationship issues lapsed into mental illness.

  he was unlucky enough to have as his support system the local congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

  one of the symptoms of his illness was the use of tobacco.

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  Sad story. Poor guy.

  There is another side to the "wonderful" scenes of friends hugging each other and people apparently experiencing ecstatic happiness often depicted in JW dot Org videos - for many , the assemblies are the most depressing times of the year , especially for those not in the in-crowd & cliques . For a few years I gave a lift to a middle aged single sister in our congregation and she often expressed how sad she found the whole event. Goodness knows how bad it is for a DFd JW.
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  Back here after almost 10 years

  by TresHappy2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i couldn't use my old name so i've come under treshappy2.

  i was thinking about cruzanheart and big tex.

  we lost touch and i don't even know if they are current on this forum.

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  Welcome. Sadly - most of the posters from a decade ago have left. Either health reasons or just had enough of JW stuff and have moved on.
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  Where Is BLONDIE?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i might have missed this but blondie was always one of the best posters here.

  her analysis and commentary was spot on.. is everything ok with her?

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  Good luck Blondie if you are still checking in. You are appreciated here and always welcome if you want to check back and say hi.

  Your forensic examinations of Watchtower study articles really helped me as I was leaving. I think we all understand that after many years being an ex-JW , people usually want to move on eventually.