Posts by betterdaze

22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.

The wages sin pays do not result in physical death. Sinning leads to spiritual death. Note how sin is contrasted to holiness in the previous verse.

22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

We, just as the animals, have a built-in time limit. Where does it say Adam and Even were created "perfect?" They supposedly could live forever only if they ate from the tree of life. How come God put it there, and later blocked them from it, if they were designed to live forever anyway?

And while Jesus was free from sin (holy), he was still a human who did not eat from the tree of life. So, if he hadn't been murdered, I believe he would have aged and died just as any other human, animal or plant.

~Sue

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The Artist formally known as Prince

by Sasha in

did any of you floridians see the article in the palm beach post.?

it seems they were giving a party for prince the other night (he's performing at the super bowl in miami toinght) and he would not show up because there were designs of dragons on the walls.

the article went on to say that prince is a "devoted jehovah's witness" and therefore believes that you can't look upon dragons because it is a symbol of the devil...now, my question is: have any of you current, or former witnesses ever heard of that?

betterdaze

I understand Bro. Prince's stumbling at dragons. They were forbidden in our home. Satan is the great dragon in Revelation hurled down from heaven by Michael (aka Jesus)!

When my aunts and uncle traveled to China, they brought back carvings and paintings depicting dragons. Mom wouldn't accept any as gifts.

When my uncle (who teaches "pagan" Tai Chi) married his Taiwanese wife, the wedding invitation was bright red with a beautiful golden dragon on the front. We were instructed to rip the card in half and discard the dragon, but its was okay to keep the rest of the invite!

Later my aunt tried to explain to mom that in her culture, dragons are harmless good luck symbols. But we know Witnesses don't believe in "luck" or wishing good luck to others, so it was a moot point.

Pinatas: YES. Dragons: NO.

~Sue

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Just got the weirdest "Clippy" message from Microsoft Word!

by AlmostAtheist in

i was typing up a post and trying to sound sort of like a watchtower writer, intending to mock them.

i guess microsoft must be in bed with the watchtower or something, 'cause this message popped up: .

weird, eh?

betterdaze

Thanks for making me laugh, Dave!

You've given this Machead one more reason avoid Microsoft products.

~Sue

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I turned 30 today! AAHHH!

by Fleshybirdfodder in

jw
friends

it will be only the second birthday i've ever celebrated.

as expected i didn't get a call or email from my mother, but i am having friends and family over tonight to do some karaoke and have some drinks.

i'm looking forward to the next decade, my twenties were difficult leaving the cult, very few highlights other than meeting my wife and reconnecting with my non dub family.

betterdaze

Happy Birthday, FBF!

***It will be only the second birthday I've ever celebrated. ***

Don't sweat it... I'll have my 4th official birthday when I hit the big 4-0. Keeps us young!

~Sue

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Make Up Some Topic Subjects That Would Be Interesting To See

by minimus in

jw
friends

here's a few to get the ball rolling------#1 circuit overseer says we can take blood now!------#2 simon plans on closing jwd down!

!----#3 bush asks for forgiveness concerning iran!-----#4 ask (insert whatever name) a question--------#5 ways for disfellowshipped ones to irritate witnesses .

do you have any subjects that might be fun or questionable or funny to add here??

betterdaze

New Light: True Christian Women Can Wear Pants!

For single sisters, a conscience matter, though it may affect your pioneering privileges.

For married sisters, show deep respect for your mate's headship by obeying his decisions in family attire.

~Sue

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Apostate College

by Paralipomenon in

jw
friends

welcome to apostate college!

let's design courses that we can offer to be in line with dubs views of apostates.

i formally offer: .

betterdaze

Starting Your Own Church

All apostates who leave Jehovah start their own church. It is a known fact.
Learn how to draw away Jehovah's followers into your very own church, in just 6 easy steps.

~Sue

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Please recommend books/websites about early church history..

by AK - Jeff in

i am reading shelly's 'church history in plain language', and enjoying it's down to earth 'layman' style very much.. i would like to read some books on the evolution of church doctrine - hopefully written in the same style.

i am no biblical/historical scholar by admission - and would love to read some literature on how doctrines altered and changed in the early centuries - something that doesn't put one to sleep with it's long-windedness - but also detailed enough, and in plain language enough, to keep me interested.. many of you folks must have favorites - can you recommend them ?.

jeff .

betterdaze

The Early Christians, In Their Own Words

Edited by Eberhard Arnold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_Arnold

What did Chrisitanity look like before it became an institution?

Topically arranged collection of primary sources. Origen, Tertullian, Polycarp, Clement of Alexandria, Justin, Irenaeus, others. Pagan contemporaries — critics, detractors and persecutors — as well.

Free download from Plough Publishing House here:

http://plough.com/ebooks/earlychristians.html

~Sue

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JW Claymation Propaganda

by mavie in

jw
friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-i7xqqdhq.

found this on another board.

it's about 10 minutes...and o so sickening!.

betterdaze

***This video was actually put together by Bethelites in the video department and other Bethel members who have a hobby building little doll houses.***

Please explain: What is Bethel's connection to "1 Shot Productions in association with Droidworks Animation" in the credits?

~Sue