It gets worse…
A KILLER driver is today beginning a six-year jail sentence for losing control of his speeding car and ploughing into a 15-year-old Jehovah’s Witness while he was out preaching with his two friends.
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Man jailed for Joshua McAuley death crash in Smethwick
by betterdaze inman jailed for joshua mcauley death crash in smethwick.
25 march 2011 last updated at 09:32 et.
a man has been jailed for six years for killing a 15-year-old boy when his car crashed into a west midlands shop.. .
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Man jailed for Joshua McAuley death crash in Smethwick
by betterdaze inman jailed for joshua mcauley death crash in smethwick.
25 march 2011 last updated at 09:32 et.
a man has been jailed for six years for killing a 15-year-old boy when his car crashed into a west midlands shop.. .
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Man jailed for Joshua McAuley death crash in Smethwick
25 March 2011 Last updated at 09:32 ET
A man has been jailed for six years for killing a 15-year-old boy when his car crashed into a West Midlands shop.
Mahamed Salam, 29, of Kendrick House, West Bromwich was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving at Wolverhampton Crown Court on Thursday.
Jehovah's Witness Joshua McAuley went to hospital and is believed to have required a blood transfusion, which was declined for religious reasons.
He died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, in May last year.
'Trapped by shop'
Insp Mark Watkins, of West Midlands Police, said: "Salam drove in a dangerous manner on a busy main road on a Saturday morning and Joshua's death was a direct consequence of Salam's dangerous driving.
"His actions were made all the worse by his failure to stop at the scene.
"The sentence imposed by the courts reflects the serious nature of his crime."
At Joshua's inquest last June, coroner Robin Balmain said the student, of Church Road, Smethwick, had been trapped between a Vauxhall Astra and the shop.
The teenager had surgery at Birmingham's Selly Oak Hospital after suffering severe leg injuries.
The coroner said he was told Joshua required a blood transfusion but, due to being a Jehovah's Witness, this option was declined. -
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Thomas Jefferson's Cut-and-Paste Bible
by betterdaze inthomas jefferson's cut-and-paste bible.
our third president sought to separate the words of jesus from the 'corruptions' of his followers.. by stephen prothero.
last november, in response to protest, the smithsonian's national portrait gallery removed a video installation depicting ants crawling over a small crucifix.
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THE LIFE AND MORALS OF JESUS OF NAZARETH
Extracted Textually from the Gospels,?together with a comparison of?his doctrines with those of others.
BY THOMAS JEFFERSON.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jb/jb00.htm
The life and morals of Jesus of Nazareth: extracted textually from the Gospels in Greek, Latin, French, and English (Google eBook)
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Thomas Jefferson's Cut-and-Paste Bible
by betterdaze inthomas jefferson's cut-and-paste bible.
our third president sought to separate the words of jesus from the 'corruptions' of his followers.. by stephen prothero.
last november, in response to protest, the smithsonian's national portrait gallery removed a video installation depicting ants crawling over a small crucifix.
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Thomas Jefferson's Cut-and-Paste Bible
Our third president sought to separate the words of Jesus from the 'corruptions' of his followers.
By STEPHEN PROTHERO
Last November, in response to protest, the Smithsonian's National Portrait Gallery removed a video installation depicting ants crawling over a small crucifix. This coming November, the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History will exhibit a cut-and-paste Bible of a mere 86 pages. Were it the work of David Wojnarowicz (the artist behind the crucifix video) or Andres Serrano (of "Piss Christ" fame), this Bible would doubtless stir up a hornet's nest. But in fact, it was created by Thomas Jefferson.
During the election of 1800, Jefferson was denounced as a "howling atheist" and "a confirmed infidel" known for "vilifying the divine word, and preaching insurrection against God." But the Virginian also revered Jesus as "the first of human Sages" and was, according to one biographer, "the most self-consciously theological of all American presidents."
The book that the Smithsonian is preparing to put on display is actually one of two Jefferson Bibles. Jefferson produced the first over the course of a few days in 1804. Not long after completing the Louisiana Purchase, he sat down in the White House with two Bibles and one razor, intent on dividing the true words of Jesus from those put into his mouth by "the corruptions of schismatising followers."
The result was "The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth": a severely abridged text (now lost) that, like the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas, consisted entirely of Jesus' sayings. In this "precious morsel of ethics," as Jefferson put it, Jesus prayed to God and affirmed the afterlife, but he was not born in a manger and did not die to atone for anyone's sins.
In 1820, after retiring from public life, Jefferson produced a second scripture by subtraction—the book that is now being restored in D.C. In "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth," he again sought to excise passages "of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, or superstitions, fanaticisms, and fabrications." This time, however, he arranged his material chronologically rather than topically, and he included both the sayings and actions of Jesus. He also included passages in English, French, Latin and Greek.
To readers familiar with the New Testament, this Jefferson Bible, as it is popularly called, begins and ends abruptly. Rather than opening, as does the Gospel of John, in the beginning with the Word, Jefferson raises his curtain on a political and economic drama: Caesar's decree that all the world should be taxed. His story concludes with this hybrid verse: "There laid they Jesus, and rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulcher, and departed." Between these points, there are no angels, no wise men, and not a hint of the resurrection.
After completing this second micro-testament, Jefferson claimed in a letter to a friend that it demonstrated his bona fides as a Christian. "It is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
That, of course, has been hotly debated from the election of 1800 to today, and Jefferson has been called an infidel, a Deist and more. What is most clear is that he was not a traditional Christian. He unequivocally rejected the Nicene Creed, which has defined orthodoxy for most Christians since 381. And he was contemptuous of the doctrine of the Trinity, calling it "mere Abracadabra" and "hocus-pocus phantasm."
None of that prevented Jefferson from claiming to represent real Christianity, or from dismissing his clerical despisers as "Pseudo-Christians"—imposters peddling a counterfeit faith. Religion is about doing good, he insisted, not abstract theologizing.
Americans have long been a people of the book. John Winthrop quoted from the Bible in his "city on the hill" sermon in 1630, and American political leaders have been quoting from it ever since.
But we craft new Bibles too, from the Book of Mormon of the Latter-day Saints to the Christian Scientists' "Science and Health with a Key to the Scriptures" and Elizabeth Cady Stanton's "Woman's Bible." Jefferson was out in front of all of these efforts. Here, too, he was a declarer of independence.
When the Jefferson Bible goes on display in November, Americans will have another opportunity to debate not only their third president's faith (or lack thereof) but also the religious character of the nation and the true meaning of Christianity. This seems as good a time as any to ponder whether the "sum of all religion" is, as Jefferson once put it, "fear God and love thy neighbor."
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Just one simple question to ask Jehovah's Witnesses about the recent earthquakes.
by nicolaou in"is jehovah causing these earthquakes?".
whether or not jesus said that earthquakes would 'increase', jehovah's witnesses assert that earthquakes are a sign of the 'time of the end'.
the recent cluster of awful earthquakes has only increased that sense of expectancy.. does this mean that jehovah is responsible for these earthquakes?
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"Satan causes the earthquakes because he knows his time is short."
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Welcome !
by Simon inwelcome to the newest jehovah's witness discussion forum on the net.. please register so that you can post to the forum and turn this into a welcoming place for other brothers and sisters online
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So many reasons prevented me from ever getting baptized JW.
Motorcycles, a cranky old man, the ocean... are just a few.
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It's my Birthday!
by Found Sheep inthe 3rd one i'm celebrating!
i'm 36 and doing well!
party party.
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Happy birthday, Found Sheep!
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June 15 WT- Scrolls "Probably most Christians could not carry many with them for preaching"
by LostGeneration inthe june 15 study edition talks about scrolls, we all know the silly picture of the dude hauling scrolls around that the wt has put into a few of their publications.
this paragraph in the new wt states:.
the well-known dead sea scroll of isaiah is almost 24 feet (7.3 m) in length.
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Good catch, LostGeneration!
So, the subject of quote is about books, not scrolls!
"Reading and Writing in the Time of Jesus," Chapter 6, "Who Read and Who Wrote," page 165:
"It is very difficult to estimate the price of a book, but if a roll of Isaiah, a long one (see Chapter 1, p. 26), took two to three days to complete, then a little over three days' wages might be an appropriate figure, plus the cost of the roll.
… and that may be an exemplary rather than a real figure, and we may suppose a scribe might expect a slightly higher rate, we can guess at a price of six to ten denarii for a copy of Isaiah. While that is not cheap, it would not put books out of the reach of the reasonably well-to-do."
No wonder the esteemed Watchtower scholars chose this author, note how he writes: but if, might be, may be, we may suppose, might expect, we can guess.
Prof. Millard's distinction between scrolls and earliest Christian books is further fleshed out in an interview here.
THE TURNING: Now, we talked about earlier that people were writing things down on waxen tablets as well as if something really mattered, they put it down on scrolls, but of course the Christian tradition has Bibles. It has books. How did that transition happen? Why didn’t we have a bunch of scrolls?
MILLARD: It seems the book with pages was beginning to be used in the 1st century. There’s a Roman writer called Marshall, who says to his friends, this idea of having books written on pages rather than scrolls is very convenient if you’re traveling; it’s easier to use such a book. It’s also more economical because scrolls were usually only written on one side whereas with a book, you use both sides of the page. This sort of book seems to been used for possibly technical handbooks in the 1st century. And in the 2nd century, there are just a few examples from Egypt of Greek literature written in this form and they are mostly legal texts and things like that. It’s possible that it is a form of book that’s more common in Rome than in Egypt in the 1st and 2nd centuries, but we simply don’t have any examples from Rome. The ones found in Egypt might be written outside the country. It’s impossible to tell and I think the Christians thought this was a very convenient, economical form of book. They may also thought that it was less likely to draw attention to itself than a scroll in situations where Christianity, being the illegal religion, owners of Christian books might well be persecuted.
THE TURNING: So it’s sort of the original pocketbook, in a sense?
MILLARD: Yes.
Again, note how he speaks:
It seems, seems to be, possibly, it's possible, might be.
It's impossible to tell, may also, might well.
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Praying caused the Japan quake...
by unshackled in...to prove to atheists that god exists?
at least according to the girl in this video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7umotte-vly&feature=youtu.be.
attention girl in the video: please, if you're reading this....stop praying!
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Jesus responds to tamtampamela:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH3OXSm_y6E
