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Spreading Discension while participating in the Theocratic Ministry School

by general in

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were you part of the theocratic ministry school and if so did you ever try to subtley spread discension among the flock by attacking the watchtower doctrine with nuances when you were on your way out of the organization??

or did you use the opportunity to get self-righteous and ram some frivolous dribble down the throats of the audience perhaps out of revenge for all the mindless crap you had to listen to for the next hour afterwards..... did you ever know anyone that would get up on the platform and say " hello...goodbye" and just walk off...??.

curious had someone do that once...lol.

general

Were you part of the Theocratic Ministry School and if so did you ever try to subtley spread discension among the flock by attacking the Watchtower doctrine with nuances when you were on your way out of the Organization?? Or did you use the opportunity to get self-righteous and ram some frivolous dribble down the throats of the audience perhaps out of revenge for all the mindless crap you had to listen to for the next hour afterwards....

Did you ever know anyone that would get up on the platform and say " Hello...Goodbye" and just walk off...??

Curious had someone do that once...lol

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IF Jehovah's Witnesses are right...

by AuldSoul in

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...then jesus lied about how to identify the false prophets.. ...then jesus lied about the sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things.. ...then the watchtower bible and tract society disassociated itself from true christianity through a repeated lack of neutrality.. ...then i will happily die at armageddon knowing i stood up against a god who supported a deceitful earthly corporation as his own.. but, i am not afraid they are right.

respectfully,.

auldsoul

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How I always remember having that one question lurking in the back of my mind when I thought about leaving the organization in my middle teens " what if Jehovah's Witnesses are right?" I never left in my middle teens because the fear that the Organization's patsy's had inculcated in me about dying at Armegeddon was just too strong. I remember that if I ever questioned, did something that elder's didn't like, or agitated one of the old-timers at the Kingdom Hall the conversations with these people would convienently turn to talk of Armeggedon and what type of people Jehovah would destroy, all the meanwhile, there would be nuances in their statements that the type of person Jehovah would destroy was me!! Seriously, the PO in my first kingdom hall always threatened me with death and destruction at the hands of Jehovah if I "grossly misbehaved." His definition of gross misbehavior was questioning things, doing worldy organized sports, having friends at school, being a nusiance out in field service, talking back to my parents, and such. NOW MIND YOU HE WAS TELLING ME THIS WHEN I WAS 7-8 years old! We all know that kid's will be kids at that age...but in the organization there is no such thing as childhood your expected to be an adult.

When I was around 15...I remember remarking to my Mom " The people that go to the meetings are scared to death of their own mortality and cannot accept that all living things must die and that's why they are at the KH...their grasping at straws...I am of the opinion why worry about something you cannot prevent?" It caused a big stir with My Mom

I don't know AuldSoul but do you remember this lame phrase from the platform " Even if Jehovah did not hold the promise of everlasting life out before us we would still serve him out of love the reason why we serve Jehovah in the first place is because out of love. We shouldn't find serving Jehovah a burden..."

I remember snickering to myself at that meeting and said " No were all here because we don't want to die and are afraid of dying at Armeggedon we don't love this tyrant whom we call Jehovah..."

That whole religion is based upon fear of dying...and thats how they keep control over the flock...(which we already know) I personally find the idea of letting the human race suffer so that Satan the Devil could prove his point that no human if given the free will or incentive to serve god would is utterly despicable...It sort of contradicts what the bible says at 1st John 4:8 " God is love." HOW IS HE LOVE if he lets the human race suffer so Satan the Devil can try to prove his idiotic point? It all seems rather academic to me...

I don't fear Death anymore...To fear death is to allow others to exert control over you whether that be the Watchtower or the nations of the earth that use the fear of death to govern... I rather go down fighting for what I believe in than submitting to tyranny...To me submitting is an act of a coward...and I didn't like being a coward....so I finally resolved in my heart to leave the organization...

Far as I am concerned now the Organization can burn for all I care

General

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Cleaning the Kingdom Hall

by general in

what part of the hall was your favorite part to clean?

was it the bathrooms, the main hall, library or lunch room perhaps...did people use cleaning the hall as an excuse to get self-righteous?

let me know.... lol.

general

What part of the hall was your favorite part to clean? Was it the bathrooms, the Main Hall, Library or lunch room perhaps...Did people use cleaning the hall as an excuse to get self-righteous? Let me know...

LOL

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Jw's at my door

by cheeseman in

it's been a while now since the dubs made their last visit.

i was living in another town at the time.

on that occasion i destroyed them on the basis of archaeology, paleontology and other sciences.

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Yeah theres onething the dubs are taught at the service meeting...NEVER ARGUE WITH THE HOUSEHOLDER...."They are there to argue with the householder but the purpose of the preaching work is to find ones receptive to the message."

I guess it never occurred to the dubs that most people are not automatically receptive to the message and in order to make them receptive they must persuade their householders that they have the "best" thing on earth to make them receptive...Doesn' t that take arguement??

Oh well...typical dubs...asking leading questions...that are supposed to invoke obvious responses...

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POST YOUR EXPERIENCE OF GROWING UP AS A JW....

by SWALKER in

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i guess that one of my first memories, about 3 years old, had to be sitting in a hard chair being made to listen to a boring talk that i didn't understand.

we weren't allowed any toys or books to look at besides the wt publications...i remember getting taken outside and beat for something i did...but i didn't even understand what i did wrong.

i remember that our car didn't have air-conditioning and during the summer how hot and sticky i was by the time i got to the kh.

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I was first introduced to the "truth" when I was 6 years old and my mom became absolutley captivated by all the "wonderful" things she was "learning." Things quickly changed within in weeks, I was no longer allowed to associate with my "worldy friends" and of course came the torture of sitting through those tedious meetings that literally epitomized monotony. To have everything that you valued at 6 years old such as friends, holidays, birthdays, and organized sports suddenly ripped away from you was what I like to call real shock and "awe." Like any other 6 year old I quickly rebelled, I would never sit still at the meetings and basically I became the menace at the Kingdom Hall that had to be controlled. Since my Mom couldn't control me the elders decided that they need to exercise their "theorcratic authority" and began to tell me that "if I didn't start obeying my mom and causing a disruption at meetings I would die at Armeggedon," which they always loved to constantly remind me "was around the corner." (LMAO yeah this was back in 1991)

For a 6 year old child I was bright enough to know that I didn't have the resources, the will power, and the strategy to stand up to these "powerful tyrants." To ensure my own survival I began to purposefully live a lie. I went to meetings, I commented all the time, "Loved" field service, loved talking to people, hated everything worldy, Oh I was the perfect role model of what a JW child should be. Perhaps, that is why I am such a good actor today and can deceive anybody I choose at will and not get caught. Of course, I had my own little group of friends in the congregation I would associate with and don't get me wrong I have lot of fond memories. I remember all the parties we would have at each others houses when we were teenagers...but there was always something missing at those parties that we all harangued about for hours on end GIRLS...

"Sigh" I remember all the dates I passed up when I was in High School because it was not "right for a christian to become unevenly yoked with an unbeliever." However, some have asked well why not pursue the girls in the hall? LMAO right...thats what I tried to do...but could I even get close to a girl in the hall without the "Loving" elders always keeping a tight rein upon the associations between the opposite sexes. OF COURSE NOT!!! Infact I had this one elder tell me " the advantages of being single in Jehovah's service" afterall he was single and loving it... " Jehovah was all he needed..." or maybe it was more like " I am gay and I don't like women but I can't tell." Speaking of that there were a couple of people in my hall who I seriously think were Gay. "

When I was 17 it was very evident that me or my friends were happy and we couldn't figure out why. Of course I pointed out to them as to what their source of unhappiness was and that was the smothering forces of the congregation that wouldn't allow them to GROW and BE MEN...Infact my ex-bestfriend is still living at home with his parents...and not even working...he just free loads off of them. Some of my friends agreeded with me but their responses were ones " what can we do...we don't want to fall away from Jehovah eternal life in the paradise is more important..." I almost flipped out at their attitudes of defeatism and resignation...

So when I turned 18...I just stopped going to meetings, Hung out with my friends at school, and dated a "worldy girl.." who became my first gf...

My mom could never figure out why I was angry growing up and sometimes depressed...

hmmmmmmmmm..........mom...Maybe its because I WAS FORCED TO GROW UP AS A JW

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Watchtower "study" - a puzzle for drones

by Gregor in

ok, here's how you prepare for the watchtower study.

come on, it's fun!

an unmarked copy of the watchtower for thewt study that week.

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LMAO...

I always hated studying the Watchtower when I was growing up...and towards the end it was nothing more than a joke on wheels for me. It sort of reminds of a master who has a parrot on his shoulder. Everytime the master says something the parrot immediatly repeats back...talk about rutheless indoctrination.

I must say the Watchtower study was always predictable...far as comments were concerned....no wonder why I wanted to hurl everytime I thought of the word Watchtower.

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No Animosity

by general in

i will begin by stating that i have been an inactive jw for about four years now and i currently have no plans on returning to the organization at this juncture.

i have read many of your experiences with the jw's and wts and i can certainly understand the rage, hatred, depression, anxiety, and sense of hoplessness as a result of your association with the jw's.

personally, i have had simliar experiences with the jw's such as an elder constantly chastising me for every "bad" thing i did by always informing me that " if i continued on the course i was on i would be destroyed at armeggedon.

general

Hi all,

First, I want to thank all of you for welcoming me to this forum. From what I have been reading on this site I have been able to ascertain that you people are actually "real" and do not wear the mask of shallowness and superficialness that many members of the JW congregation wore. I truly appreciate all the brutal honesty.

First in response to one question: Yeah I am hot!

Secondly, I have to agree about going for the doctorate in chem...your not the only that has said it is more "rewarding than law"

When I get some more time I'll start posting my own JW experiences from the time I spent in the organization

Take care all

Nick

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No Animosity

by general in

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LoL

I accidentally posted it twice...one which I had just typed the thread title and nothing else...The other one that is posted has my comments

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No Animosity

by general in

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No Animosity

by general in

i will begin by stating that i have been an inactive jw for about four years now and i currently have no plans on returning to the organization at this juncture.

i have read many of your experiences with the jw's and wts and i can certainly understand the rage, hatred, depression, anxiety, and sense of hoplessness as a result of your association with the jw's.

personally, i have had simliar experiences with the jw's such as an elder constantly chastising me for every "bad" thing i did by always informing me that " if i continued on the course i was on i would be destroyed at armeggedon.

general

Hi all,

I will begin by stating that I have been an inactive JW for about four years now and I currently have no plans on returning to the organization at this juncture. I have read many of your experiences with the JW's and WTS and I can certainly understand the rage, hatred, depression, anxiety, and sense of hoplessness as a result of your association with the JW's. Personally, I have had simliar experiences with the JW's such as an elder constantly chastising me for every "bad" thing I did by always informing me that " If I continued on the course I was on I would be destroyed at Armeggedon." It was this fear of death at Armeggedon that kept me slaving away for this organization even though I rarely agreed with the WTS interpetation of bibilical doctrine. At the age of 18 I decided that being a full time minster for the organization was not for me. To get away from the Organization I simply just dropped off the face of the earth and never showed my face again to the congregation I was attending.

I am currently a junior in college with a major in Laboratory Science with concentrations in Chemistry and Biology. I also have the joined the military's ROTC program where I hope to be commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant next summer. Through the ROTC program I can now attend Graduate school and not worry about being deployed while I am in school. I still haven't decided whether or not I want to pursue a doctorate in chemistry or Law but at this juncture I am not particularly concerned with that.

As regards the JW's and their organization the WTS I feel no ill-will towards them even though by right I should. I do commend the JW's for their strict moral codes and it takes a real man or woman to live by them. Ever since my exodous from the organization, the moral values that were taught to me by the JW's has served me well and I partly attribute this to my secular and academic success.

I will say though it was nice to find this board

Nick