october 1st 2002 watchtower.
page 16 para 20. strong faith, in turn, fortifies us to obey jehovah, even when his requirements seem to go contrary to human reasoning.. .
para 22how important, therefore, that we have an obedient attitude toward that 'slave'!.
Faith must be based on something-that something is reason. If its not based on something reasonable how can it be faith? Seems to me Jesus said something about a house built on a rock-mass as opposed to one built on sand.
If the society can't explain something reasonably then they should say that they don't understand that particular point right now, or say nothing, NOT: Go along with us even though we can't explain it to you in a logical way.
october 1st 2002 watchtower.
page 16 para 20. strong faith, in turn, fortifies us to obey jehovah, even when his requirements seem to go contrary to human reasoning.. .
para 22how important, therefore, that we have an obedient attitude toward that 'slave'!.
It amazes me that at one time we said we preached Liberation: Liberation from false Babylonish teaching, liberation from a Clergy and Laity division, liberation from fear. We were encouraged to freely take the Bible and prove things to ourselves.
Now we're told to agree with Mother even when what is said defies logic.
these are some comments that some have made to me recently:.
at meeting-a brother: "that anderson sister was lying and here's how i know-no sister has access to those files, only brothers in position do.".
in field service-a sister: "look what happens when we don't wait on jehovah and take matters into our own hands.".
These are some comments that some have made to me recently:
At Meeting-A Brother: "That Anderson sister was lying and here's how I know-No sister has access to those files, only brothers in position do."
In Field Service-A Sister: "Look what happens when we don't wait on Jehovah and take matters into our own hands."
A Circuit Overseer: "You know, sometimes we think an isue like this is going to turn into such a big thing, but a week later it blows over and is forgotten."
An Elder: "Well things like that don't go on in my congregation, that's all I can say."
i'm curious to know if anyone has noticed different behavior from their dub family and friends since the aug. km about disfellowshipped ones.
i've noticed that my mother is no longer emailing me, nor is she responding to my emails.
i really wish that she would just come out directly and state that she will no longer talk to me instead of just ignoring everything, thinking i will go away.
Re: To Writer Pen
No private information concerning this has been given to the elders that I know of.
I seriously doubt that family members of a disfellowshipped person could be dealt with by a judicial committee for fraternizing, just as long as they didn't flaunt it. It would get very sticky, for example: family members accused of associating with the disfellowshipped one could say, "Our disfellowshipped family member was undergoing mental difficulties and was under duress-these were extenuating circumstances." You see an immediate family member has a Biblical responsibility to look after his parents, children, aged parents, grown children, brothers, sisters, etc. It seems to me that any elder who would try to do anything about this would run up against a picket fence.
This is mostly sabre rattling. You have to stay a step ahead of these guys
evidence is growing that the society now recognizes the grave.
danger of holding on to the blood doctrine and is quickly trying.
to 'fade it to black'.. it is likely that most witnesses will passively go along with this.
Re: Amnesian
Now you've got me laughing!
Anyway as I recall that infamous Generation article spoke about how the time of the Napoleonic Age could be spoken of as a Generation. So I guess according to them they could apply that explanation to the age of the Pharoahs which lasted for several thousand years! All of this explaining when the fact is that a generation is decribed as, "A single succession in natural descent." In other words A PERSON'S LIFETIME---PERIOD!!
So back in "95 I inquired and asked, "So a generation is an era right?" I was sternly counseled not to use the term Era because the Society wasn't using that term. Well, I'm sorry to say that I had the dubious honor of teaching this Generation stuff to the congregation from the platform. After I was done I told my wife that I felt like I had just baffled everybody with bull-shit!
picture the scene:.
you are a young single brother with no other jw family members.
you manage to tot up 90hrs a month in "field service";spend five hours per week preparing your watchtower for the study, however you are not an extremely extrovert person and don't try to "impress" the elders and the co. it seems though that this "spiritual" person never seems to be appointed as a ms or an excesively long time passes by before he does become such.
Within the organization the entire way a male is viewed is based upon what tiltle he has, there is an intricate system of, "Class Distinctions. How contrary to what Paul said about if anyone wants to be an overseer he is desirous of a fine work. He never said you had to have a position in the cong. to have respect. I believe that the present system wreaks of cliques and corrupt politics.
evidence is growing that the society now recognizes the grave.
danger of holding on to the blood doctrine and is quickly trying.
to 'fade it to black'.. it is likely that most witnesses will passively go along with this.
Re: To Amnesian
Of course they already tried to re-visit the 1914 issue with that silly explanation altering the entire meaning of the term, "Generation" Utter Psycho-Babble!
evidence is growing that the society now recognizes the grave.
danger of holding on to the blood doctrine and is quickly trying.
to 'fade it to black'.. it is likely that most witnesses will passively go along with this.
They are their own achilles heel. Whenever they feel threatened or even questioned on a stand they've taken, they become more and more radical and appear more and more ridiculous to increasing numbers of publishers. Take for example the Disfellowshipping policy, its been questioned alot on this forum and in the private conversations of many elders. So what do they do? They make the policies even more extreme. The problem is that the Society is at present a corrupt arrogant political heirarchy guilty of things like: *Going beyond the things written *Extorting money *Violating political neutrality as in the case of the U.N. scandal *Slandering and defaming innocent people *Bloodguilt *Lying (just to mention a few.)
Therefore who are they to make rules about Disfellowshipping more strict? Who are they to Disfellowship anyone? Now I've been a witness for many years and if all of this is obvious to me it's certainly becoming apparent to others.
consistent with the factions working behind the scenes, the.
organization is being pulled in two directions:.
first, to survive, they must get dumber and crazier.
Recently changes have been made as to the Blood Issue and Child Abuse. These have been changes they've been forced to make due to problems. Its like the tail is wagging the dog.
Much of the criticism that the society is now taking isn't, "Persecution for Righteousness Sake" its deserved. What's bothersome to me is that they just can't seem to own up to it when they make a mistake, its always someone else's fault-never their's.
The message to the publishers is not, "Know the scriptures and handle the Word of God aright," it is, "Listen to the Faithful & Discreet Slave no matter what, put it into automatic and let us think for you."
lisa:.
i just wanted to say a big thanks for your participation here and your insightful comments.
based on an earlier comment by you, i wanted to just say thank you.. we have benfitted by your sleuthlike abilities to expose some who have attempted to disrupt the site as well.. i am glad to see that you didn't leave the board as you had considered at one time.
Your posts are well thought out and very insightful. I was just recalling the post you made concerning trying to organize get togethers for young people and why those efforts failed due to the host getting blamed for any misconduct that might take place. You brought out that because of these policies our young people just don't get together and are socially inept, any adult JW has to be very afraid of organizing even a roller-skating party! I admired your efforts.
