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  No fabrication in Gospels

  by Shining One in

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  http://www.rzim.org/publications/jttran.php?seqid=52 .

  "what cannot be doubted is that many new testament critics have approached the gospels with an utterly unjustified skepticism--a skepticism that wouldn't be considered justified in any other branch of ancient history.

  new testament scholar r. t. france declares that "at the level of their literary and historical character we have good reason to treat the gospels as a source of information on the life and teachings of jesus, and thus on the historical origins of christianity.

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  “We discover (in the gospels) a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication”

  Thomas Jefferson quotes

  http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/christ/xt-sbd.htm

  To support its thesis, The Jesus Mysteries details how little evidence there is for the historical existence of Jesus or the biblical Apostles to be found in non-Christian sources: Pagan and Jewish historians of the time, and Jewish scriptures. As archeologist John Romer remarks in Testament, our knowledge of earliest Christianity

  is founded solely upon the Book of Acts and later church tradition. There is no mention at all of this period of Christian history in any other literature. We know only what later churches wanted to tell us. And this is also true of the beginnings of the Gospels. We are left with the evidence that can be gleaned from the Four Gospels themselves and a large number of conflicting statements made in the writings of the early church fathers. -- p. 188

  Freke and Gandy make clear that the New Testament Gospels and Acts of the Apostles are not reliable historical reports, let alone independent eye-witness accounts. Though the relationship in time and of dependence among early Christian writings, canonical and non-canonical, is still very much debated, many biblical scholars agree that the Gospel of John was written as a theological document later than the other canonical gospels, and that Matthew and Luke are based on Mark, the last usually dated around 70 AD, though Freke and Gandy feel it is probably later. Nor is Mark, the first biographical treatment of Christian material, an actual chronicle: careful analysis has shown that it represents a joining together of many preexisting vignettes and wisdom sayings, organized to correspond to various Old Testament texts and episodes such as the Exodus. It does not include the birth or genealogy of Jesus and originally did not continue past the women finding the empty tomb and an implied resurrection. In the early version no resurrected Christ appears to the Apostles or anyone else.
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  Study.. Praying Won't Affect Heart Patients

  by VM44 in

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  study: praying won't affect heart patients

  by malcolm ritter, ap science writer

  does praying for a sick person's recovery do any good?.

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  "Who should I save today?"
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  What Things Were You Deprived Of Because You Were A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i think back at some of the simpler things we couldn't do or have because we were a witness.

  i hardly know my father's (worldly) side of the family.

  didn't know my grandfather, grandmother, aunts, uncles, cousins.

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  Life, liberty and justice
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  An "apostate" walks into a bar......................

  by ButtLight in

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  and recognizes an elder there.

  so he goes up to him and says................(keep the story going)

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  Then all hell broke lose and the souls of those dead returned to tourment the living! Welcome to Dawn of the Dead!
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  Watchtower Promotes Creationism and Contradicts Itself!!!

  by SickofLies in

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  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/6/22/article_01.htm

  charles darwin's theory of evolution has been prevalent for a century and a half.

  some educated people may have expected that by now, belief in god would be banished to the realm of the ignorant, the gullible, and the naive.

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  AT the moment, there is no serious scientific rival to Darwinism. Indeed, if the explanation for the origin and complexity of life must be sought in physical mechanisms, then an evolutionary theory of some sort would seem to be inevitable. But why, the neo-creos ask, should other sorts of explanations -- those positing intelligent causes, supernatural interventions -- be ruled out by fiat? To do so betrays a commitment to ''metaphysical naturalism,'' the doctrine that nature is a system of material causes and effects sealed off from outside influences; and that, they say, is a matter of faith, not proof.

  HA! Good work VM44, another example of the WTS using 'quote mining' to support their position. Such tactics are inherently dishonest in nature as the article clearly doesn't put out a positive case for creationism.

  Narkissos, indeed, the WTS believes that they are somehow authorities when it comes to science. They frequently use scientific 'facts' in there articles that are either out of date, out of context or just plain wrong. I can tell you how many talks I've had to sit though in agony as speakers abuse science to try and promote their own views on the bible. At the same time they are promoting science, they discredit it when it comes to areas they disagree with. They have to contradict themselves if they put down creationism because they themselves are promoters of it.
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  I'm back!!!!

  by RichieRich in

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  hello again from sunny north carolina!!!.

  our state lotto started today, and i won 15 dollars, and only bought 1 $1 card.

  so whoop whoop for gambling.. i was in miami florida last week for the photoshop world conference, but i also got to tour the everglades, where i took some beautiful pictures.

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  Execellent! Is it possible to get this into a PDF format anyone?? I would love to print a few of these off and have a few people disfellowshiped!
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  Watchtower Promotes Creationism and Contradicts Itself!!!

  by SickofLies in

  1. watchtower
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  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/6/22/article_01.htm

  charles darwin's theory of evolution has been prevalent for a century and a half.

  some educated people may have expected that by now, belief in god would be banished to the realm of the ignorant, the gullible, and the naive.

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  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/6/22/article_01.htm

  Charles Darwin's theory of evolution has been prevalent for a century and a half. Some educated people may have expected that by now, belief in God would be banished to the realm of the ignorant, the gullible, and the naive. Nothing of the kind has happened. Many scientists openly profess belief in a Creator. Granted, they may not believe in a personal God or in the Bible. Yet, they are convinced that the design evident in nature requires an intelligent Designer.

  Can such scientists be dismissed as naive? Reporting on scientists who believe that intelligent design is responsible for our cosmos and life in it, a book review in The New York Times comments: "They have Ph.D.'s and occupy positions at some of the better universities. The case they make against Darwinism does not rest on the authority of Scripture; rather, it proceeds from premises that are scientific."

  The same article also notes that proponents of intelligent design "do not stake any obviously foolish claims. . . . What they deny is that the standard Darwinian theory, or any other 'naturalistic' theory that confines itself to mindless, mechanical causes operating gradually over time, suffices to explain the whole of life. The biological world, they contend, is rife with evidence of intelligent design—evidence that points with near certainty to the intervention of an Intelligent Designer."

  Proponents of intelligent design do not stake any obviously foolish claims? HA!!! Perhaps they missed the ball on this one but proponents of ID also believe in a literal 6 days of creation for the earth and the univerise, an idea the WTS rejects!

  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2002/6/8/article_01.htm

  For example, when we understand that the Bible uses the term "day" to represent various periods of time, we see that the account of the six creative days in Genesis need not conflict with the scientific conclusion that the age of the earth is about four and a half billion years. According to the Bible, the earth existed for an unstated period before the creative days began. (See the box "The Creative Days—24 Hours Each?") Even if science corrects itself and suggests a different age for our planet, the statements made in the Bible still hold true. Instead of contradicting the Bible, science in this and many other cases actually provides us with voluminous supplemental information about the physical world, both present and past.

  Creationist make the foolish claim that one life form has never been observed to give rise to another is simply untrue. Darwin himself used the analogy of variation under domestication, and we have numerous examples of species and varieties that are in domestication and differ from heir known progenitors.

  Creationist claim evolution is a usless theory! http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA215.html Indeed I cannot think of any claim made by a creationist that isn't foolish!

  Yet another contradiction brought to light!
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  Wacky WT article to 'scare you'

  by Smiles in

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  its a wt article on their official website called the "the danger zone".

  "the danger zone"... isn't that an old kenny loggins song for the top gun movie soundtrack?.

  here is the wt "danger zone"... .

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  I'm back!!!!

  by RichieRich in

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  hello again from sunny north carolina!!!.

  our state lotto started today, and i won 15 dollars, and only bought 1 $1 card.

  so whoop whoop for gambling.. i was in miami florida last week for the photoshop world conference, but i also got to tour the everglades, where i took some beautiful pictures.

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  Bravo! Theoratic Warfare straegity at its best!

  I have also 'borrowed' many items from my hall including 'Golden Age' articles dating back to the 20's!
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  Please explain: Faithful, Discreet & Slave

  by Amnesty Vendor in

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  i am not trying to vent here, however i have somewhat of an internal dilema.

  having been a very faithful, committed jw for many years, .

  i do not understand how the (current) gb justifies applying the title fds .

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  The offical answer I believe is that Jesus came down and inspected all religions in 1919 and found them to be the only ones handing out 'spritual food' even though what they taught then is nothing like what they teach today. The idea of 1919 and Jesus inspecting them and declaring them clean is at the same level as the claims made by Scientology.

  BTW, Welcome to the board.