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  HELP PLEASE---family emergency

  by apostlestate in

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  this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.

  i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.

  my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.

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  my better half is sick of hearing about my new online friends--evidently i'm ecstatic

  gonna take a day or two to edit the first part of my dad's letter--thanks to all for your participation
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  HELP PLEASE---family emergency

  by apostlestate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.

  i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.

  my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.

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  merry magdalene posted a link that is quite enlightening- it graphs out what many of us (anyone bred to spin their wheels in judge rutherford's ad campaign) have known since we could speak: PEOPLE LIKE THEIR BELIEFS AND FEEL THEY NEED THEM.

  Were we not, however, trained to handle objections?

  I had my own personal dilemna with Noah's flood-- a global deluge is simply not scientifically sound. This almost destroyed me, and to accept it was like extracting my own liver. I needed and wanted to believe the fundamentalist rendering--if the things the bible stated as fact were simply allegory and lessons then where did that leave us? Then i realized that my strong point was biblical knowledge-- and if the power was taken away from that then i was just ordinary. For weeks it was like a small blender in my brain. Then i learned that the Hebrew word for earth and land were the same. So i was able to consider the possibility of a localized flood and the pain subsided. But that illustrated to me firsthand how painful a change in thinking can be....

  I must factor this in--point reemphasized merry--tx

  personally i believe that survival isn't our deepest motivation--it is living.
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  HELP PLEASE---family emergency

  by apostlestate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.

  i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.

  my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.

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  willy loman has a good point, need to slow up and check myself. Twas a good dose of reality and probability. With that in mind, diligent creativity and good sense must be tools of the trade, i think. And i must never be a victim of my own wishful thinking.

  now notice what jgnat wrote. NOW CAN BE THE TIME! Their growth has been stalemated (i would guess mostly due to the web)--and it is very possible that your efforts are slowly chipping away at them. We must continue to fight! However we must constantly adjust to the moment and be on fervent watch for any and every oppurtunity. I plan to do so now, and maybe my bubble will be burst soon, but i don't think so. I can be soooooo stubborn. If a battle plan does not work and the troops are still alive, they must regroup and form new tactics. I myself have only this to fight for and can finally feel a new purpose. Either that or i'm completely nutz.

  As for the letter to my dad,well, it's not just aletter to my dad. I want to create a perfect apologetic for those in my past that i desire to contact again-- i still have quite a bit of respect amongst my old compatriots, even though i'm df'd. I understand that the chance of success is nill, but that does not destroy my hope. I also suspect that this might do me more good than him--right now he thinks i'm stupid and weak for not staying close to "God's true organization" and atleast a good fight back would secure more esteem for myself.

  In fact, i pretty much count on my father not responding well, that's why i have plans b,c,d, and e, and i am excited about them too.

  AS mentioned before, if/when he does not respond i'm going to raise a ruckus. And i aint no slouch neither.
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  Why you should report your time and organize a party afterwards.

  by Trojan in

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  this reasoning was recently used to argument why we all should fill out our monthly report slip and hand it nicely to the secretary.

  the elder explaining this used the organization book and starts mentioning the bible accounts that include numbers and figures in them!

  judges 7:7 - gideon gets 300 men to drink water...

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  somewhere in the OT King David got busted for taking a census-- like it was some sort of abomination
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  was tobacco use common before deuteronomy?

  by apostlestate in

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  if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then god's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.. anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?

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  tx ballistic--

  i needed a good wake-n-laugh
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  was tobacco use common before deuteronomy?

  by apostlestate in

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  if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then god's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.. anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?

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  yea smoking is dumb--

  But i thought some exactitude on the matter might shake things up

  We shouldnt shun anyone with something so simple--rather we should encourage them

  And we can't encourage them when we've sent them off ..........

  The witnesses are in a great position to start helpful programs that cater to this and things of the like--they have the people who are willing to work and the meeting centers available..

  It'll never happen though, they would have to come off their horse first, and it looks like they're nailed in the saddle.
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  was tobacco use common before deuteronomy?

  by apostlestate in

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  if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then god's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.. anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?

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  apostlestate

  if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then God's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.

  anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?
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  if smoking was a practice before deuteronomy...

  by apostlestate in

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  if it can be proven that smoking tobacco was common or atleast available before all the explicit jesuit cleanliness laws were written by moses.

  then god's silence on the matter would prove he doesnt care about that (to the weirdos who take issue with it anyway).

  anybody knowledgeable on the history of tobacco?

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  if it can be proven that smoking tobacco was common or atleast available before all the explicit jesuit cleanliness laws were written by Moses

  then God's silence on the matter would prove he doesnt care about that (to the weirdos who take issue with it anyway).

  anybody knowledgeable on the history of tobacco?
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  Not many from 33-1919

  by ajie in

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  read a post yesterday where someone had the number of partakers in 1935 the cut off year,the number of partakers(annointed) was 52465 this dosnt leave many places for the people before the org was chosen in 1919.so the total number of places in heaven before 1935 was 91535.it seems that there cant of been many true followers in the 1902 years prior to their being chosen,in fact it works out there were only 48 annointed spaces per year.but suddenly from 1919 to 1935 a period of only 16 years we have an increase of holy ones to 3279 per year .this is so obviously rubbish,and how the hell did they no there were 91535 annointed before them,hope that all makes sense.

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  good point -- think i'll memorize the math
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  HELP PLEASE---family emergency

  by apostlestate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.

  i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.

  my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.

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  ANYHOO-

  tx 4 the link, bebu

  so i need to write in a different format --sorry about the headache paragraphs

  i will begin posting my letter to my dad in a few days --i'll either put it under this subject or a new one called "dear dad"

  explaining 1914 will be easy now--the road is plowed, i'm ready to roll

  love it that i'm not alone on this............