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if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then god's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.. anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?
if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then God's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.
anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?
if it can be proven that smoking tobacco was common or atleast available before all the explicit jesuit cleanliness laws were written by moses.
then god's silence on the matter would prove he doesnt care about that (to the weirdos who take issue with it anyway).
anybody knowledgeable on the history of tobacco?
if it can be proven that smoking tobacco was common or atleast available before all the explicit jesuit cleanliness laws were written by Moses
then God's silence on the matter would prove he doesnt care about that (to the weirdos who take issue with it anyway).
anybody knowledgeable on the history of tobacco?
read a post yesterday where someone had the number of partakers in 1935 the cut off year,the number of partakers(annointed) was 52465 this dosnt leave many places for the people before the org was chosen in 1919.so the total number of places in heaven before 1935 was 91535.it seems that there cant of been many true followers in the 1902 years prior to their being chosen,in fact it works out there were only 48 annointed spaces per year.but suddenly from 1919 to 1935 a period of only 16 years we have an increase of holy ones to 3279 per year .this is so obviously rubbish,and how the hell did they no there were 91535 annointed before them,hope that all makes sense.
good point -- think i'll memorize the math
this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.
i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.
my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.
ANYHOO-
tx 4 the link, bebu
so i need to write in a different format --sorry about the headache paragraphs
i will begin posting my letter to my dad in a few days --i'll either put it under this subject or a new one called "dear dad"
explaining 1914 will be easy now--the road is plowed, i'm ready to roll
love it that i'm not alone on this............
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a bit of a sour stomach after watching !animated armageddonhttp://www.latindimples.com/newbeginning/lastday.swf new dawnhttp://www.latindimples.com/newbeginning/newdawn.swf
the nightmares might start coming back now--ii'm never in my meeting clothes when armageddon comes
lord this is creepy
this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.
i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.
my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.
So i loved all the responses and i soaked them up with a smile--already i think i know what i'm going to say regarding 1914, thanks to the page RINGO5 pointed me to. thanx man. I have yet to look up BEBU's and UNIQUE1's suggested pages ( i was too anxious to respond to this), but i'm sure they will be helpful. JWFACTS --stay with me too please, i have a feeling you've been around the block a few times with this sorta thing--and am anxious to get more input as i post this letter too my dad.
Aside from the little girl i got coming this is my whole life here folks, really..
I agree with KUDRA--its nauseating for me to give up on my family-- I JUST WON'T. But what if this doesn't work? What if my dad is not the man of truth and reason that he always claimed to be? What if the organization has some sort of (roll your eyes now) demonic hold on him? What if, God forbid, I never can go home again?
Then I'm going to scream so loud he can't help but hear. Not literally ,of course, but i'm determined to find a way. It was pondering this possible future tragedy that i came up with and idea for a movie--it has to be something so catchy that the whole country will be abuzz about it. I know my dad--if i got that ballsy he would have to sneak off and check it out (of course i may be pipe dreaming again). I'm not going to give away my storyline just yet, suffice it to say thet i've dreamt up a premise that i feel is riveting. Of course, many fools think they're talented (just watch the American Idol tryouts), but neccesity is the mother of invention, and i want this so bad i that feel like i pulled something out of the air that was just waiting to be born. As i get to know people here better maybe i will reveal more. I've even got a great hollywood type title ( i want so bad to reveal that too, just cause it sounds so cool) but i'm going to look into copyright laws beore i spill my dream onto the net. GREENDAWN, thanks for your post. I just may not be nuts after all..
O yea-- i had the billboard idea too, BENNY BLANCO, its a great one, i think. If anyone doesn't know--Benny suggested putting up billboards en route to various Kingdom Halls. It might not be that expensive if a lotta people got in on it. The word choice just has to be perfect.
this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.
i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.
my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.
WOWEE
Had i known an online exchange would fire me up so much i would have jumped in years ago. Thanks to all for the response..
I feel the need to give more of my story since i'm getting so much advice (but i'm pumped about the movie idea so i'm anxious to get to that).
Anyhoo, first off, i'm already disfellowshipped. When i was 17 i was a regular pioneer,and my pioneer partner and i both had aspirations of Bethel. We were such morons, letting all those old fogies pat us on the back and pump us up to go work for free for four years. But you know the deal --we thought we were great and gonna be great. All we had to do was shoot for Bethel and the whole congregation treated us like heroes. Anyway, due to some congregational politics (a few of the elders were jealous of my dad) he got to go and i didnt. However,he had been up quite a few skirts and my nose was clean. I didnt tell on him (a good friend and a bad witness), and during my bitter years i looked back and thought that was the way Jehovah repaid me for not telling on him (NUTZ). But i fell away,and went out into the cold, hard world all by my lonesome, and had a blast. I just figured i would die when armaggedon came and i didnt care. I started chasing tornadoes and before i knew it i'd been on the road for 7 years. Somewhere in colorado i stopped living in hotels for a while, got a laptop and got online.By now i was ready to brave "apostate" material, and, with my new laptopi got a new education. AND BOY DID I GET PISSED. Turns out the whole thing was a dog and pony show and we were all chumps. So now i figured there was no reason for my family to shun me, since the ones who originated the program were full of it. I thought my dad would be quick to jump on the side of real truth, since by now my brother was disfellowshipped and he could have his sons back if he would just listen to me. But it was not to be-- i did not prepare myself well enough, we argued more than we discussed, and i just came off as bitter and ridiculous (but not quite coined an apostate). Since i was alone and away for so long my dad thought i was just confused and needed encouragement. But i accepted the fact that he was SERIOUSLY brainwashed and i would have to get really creative in order to get through to him. It has been 6 more years since then,and ive talked to him maybe 6 times. But there's been a new development..
I had started chasing storms again, but this time with a new perspective. I had been through the fire with the validity of the Bible (if the WTS was lying maybe the whole Jesus thing was a hoax too) and I came to the conclusion that the prophetic, archaelogical, and historical evidence was too synchronistic to be denied. I still don't think we as a human race have even come close to understanding the words in red, but i prayed and hoped anyway. It was then i began to constantly turn over the objections my father might have in my mind, and it was then i started realizing that even though this was a monumental task, it was not impossible. I was like a pioneer again-- constantly preparing myself for any conversation that i may ever have with a witness. I avoided getting in their face , however, as it could ruin any remaining chance i might have of getting through. Then, two years ago, i met a girl somewhere in the midwest and settled down. (Ironically, she was raised a witness too, but i did not discover this until we'd already fallen for each other.) Then she got pregnant (can you see where this is going?) My dad now has a granddaughter on the way. He wants to re-establish association, of course.
Not too long ago he told me that if worked up all my objections and wrote them down, he would go to the library, find reasonable answers for me, and we could get past this stalemate. Of course he wants me to come to meetings again, BUT I ALSO HAVE ONE MORE SHOT TO DEPROGRAM HIM. And thats where i am.... hope this wasn't too boring, I feel kinda stupid talking about myself so much--but thats over now and i want to talk brass.......
I have a lot more to say and i'm anxious to chat about my movie idea more--but i'm running out of room so i'll just post another page.......
this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.
i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.
my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.
Hi Denise
I was staying up just waiting for my first reply---and someone did! (lol) I have the warm and fuzzies now...
thx for the info--will definitely utilize it
also i just saw the "campaign strategies" portion (i can see the point in keeping that locked)-- can't wait to check that out
look forward to chatting in the future---
Jason
this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.
i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.
my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.
Hi Denise
I was staying up just waiting for my first reply---and someone did! (lol) I have the warm and fuzzies now...
thx for the info--will definitely utilize it
also i just saw the "campaign strategies" portion (i can see the point in keeping that locked)-- can't wait to check that out
look forward to chatting in the future---
Jason
( i must be tired too--accidentally posted this twice)
this is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue.
i discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now i am stepping into your world and it feels right.
my family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc.
This is my first time ever participating in any discussion with ex -witnesses ever, and it's long overdue. I discovered the real truth about 6 years ago with the aid of websites like this (cannot contain my gratefulness), now I am stepping into your world and it feels right. My family runs four generations deep in witness muck,my great-grandmother was the oldest living pioneer in our region for what seemed like forever, three of my great-grandparents were "anointed",my grandfather hobnobbed with the governing body, etc.,etc. Fred Franz even vacationed at my grandparents home in florida on one occasion. My father ,of course, is an elder. Recently he has come to a point where he thinks he can help adjust my thinking regarding the things I have learned concerning 1914, the two-class system, and a few more of the Society's blatant tricks. Truth has always been very important to me, it was my fire during those years I was a regular pioneer, and now in the name of truth I can't stand the oh-so-ugly WTS. But I have this pipe dream that one day I will be reunited with my family, and due to my fathers recent crusade, this may be my chance. So I have to send him a detailed letter discussing my "views" (as if 2+2 =4 can be considered an opinion) and I may only get one shot at this. I am quite proud of what I am coming up with regarding the trinity, the cross, hellfire, christmas, birthday celebrations, and the two-class system and I will post what I am going to write to him under this topic that I just started. I am extremely excited about doing this- maybe I will discover that I am as good at explaining this as I think I am--more importantly, maybe I will receive some constructive criticism before I mail this thing off to dear old dad. The key to this letter is brevity, I must hit the main points in a flowing discussion of the facts before his mind has a chance to drift, and i have obsessed every day for 6 years about how this can be accomplished. As mentioned, I think I can pull this off regarding the subjects mentioned above,but I've run into a snag with 1914.
I've read Carl Olof Johnsonn's works several times (what great stuff) , but there is so much to it! The continual cross-referencing of the Babylonian regnal lists can get quite complicated, and for the life of me I cannot think of a way to put this in an easy-to-read format. JERUSALEM FELL IN 586 BC, NOT 607BC--SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME SUM UP THIS POINT IN A LETTER TO MY DAD!!! As promised, I will begin posting how I will explain other key topics to him over the next few weeks, but I desperately need help with 1914! And if someone is talented at summing up the main points about the wts's fudging the numbers regarding the earthquakes, wars, and pestilences since 1914 that would be greatly appreciated too. Or maybe there is something like this already on the net that i have not discovered that someone could direct me to.....I would be eternally grateful....
After I'm done with this letter to my dad (which seems like my life's work now), I can begin trying to start a witness revolution. Maybe a large group can go to an assembly wearing messages on their T-shirts. Or maybe .... well that is for a later date. I don't want to give away my ideas for a screenplay about the largest cult in the world just yet either. With the right flavoring a really great movie could be made, and it needs to be done. OK, I'm getting delusions of grandeur now, lol , I have to make a run at dad first....PLEASE HELP!!!
Thank You for reading my post....
