Posts by Jimmy423

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This will knock your socks off

by hijack in

http://www.cultureshocksolution.org/public_html/jw%20secret%20book.htm

is anyone familiar with this?

does anyone have links to the secret elders manual?.

Jimmy423

Anyone know the link to the District Overseer's Manual?

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Apostasy defined in the Elders Manuel

by gumby in

for those unfamiliar with the societys veiws on what apostasy is, this is from the elder manuel under.

..."elders ruling for justice itself".. apostasy.. apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defec-.

tion, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false.

Jimmy423

Hi my name is Jimmy and I'm an apostate. It's been 8 years since my last Watchtower Study. Does this mean I get an 8 year chip?

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What is the criteria for deleting congregations?

by TooOpinionated in

after reading another thread about a congregation being deleted, i am curious about the process.

i didn't even know it could happen.

how is it all decided?.

Thank you all for the warm welcome. It is great to be among friends who truly understand. I have several items some of you might be interested in. For instance I have a Word formatted copy of "the book that must not be named" :) I also have a copy of the CD Rom. Also some of the older books. i was the school overseer for 10 years, the field Service overseer for 3 years and a part time pioneer so I have that book as well. Let me know if you need anykind of information at all. I can already tell this is going to be fun. [email protected]

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How Do You Nullify A Baptism

by Diogenes in

does anybody know what the procedure is if you want to nullify your baptism?.

has anybody successfully nullified their baptism?.

i'd love to hear from you how you did it.. thanks,.

Jimmy423

I agree with Unclebruce. A lawyer is the best way out. If it is doen quickly. The society hates having to defend itself in court. It means they have to go on the record about their beliefs and run the risk of cross examination on their tactics. However, they do have a battery of lawyers on hand just in case it comes to that. Rest assured, if you try to sue them as an organization they have enough high profile lawyers and more than enough money set aside to bury you and your "local" lawyer. So, you need to do it quickly. At least as quickly as Britiny had her first marriage annulled. If you or a loved one buys into the package and after going under the water, have something like buyers remorse, you have still, as we used to say "put yourself under the authority of the organization". The longer a person stays there and participates (ie go to meetings, go out in service,etc) the harder it becomes to get out with your former reputation intact. After you've been in for several months you come to understand it's pretty much an all or nothing organization. You can be weak, you can not go in service, (or if you study with your kids only turn in 4 hours on your field service report) you can not go to meetings regularly and still be accepted by your family and friends still in the organization.

The local elders treat you the way you teach them to treat you. If you are no threat to them or their postion or their ego's they will leave you alone for the most part. You just have to keep an eye on their wives. Elders wives have more pull than most people can imagine in such a male dominated environment. I know of an example where an elders wife go so jealous of another elder's wife that she launched a campaign against the womans mother. The mother hadn't attended the KH in over 25 years. Her granddaughter was about to get married in the KH and the jealous wife pushed her husband into going to the grandmother's house unannounced (along with another elder) and asking her point blank if she wanted to be a witness or not. When the grandmother said "no" she was summarrily disfellowshipped and not invited to the wedding. Stuff like this happens all the time. so just becasue you have faded, don't take it for granted that your name isn't still on somebody's list.

If you have plenty of money and make large donations to the Kingdom Hall you can pretty much do anyting you please as long as you don't "flaunt" it. Make a donation of around $150-$300 a month to a congregation of about 90 publishers who all work day jobs and you might get a visit from the elders once or twice a year as a shepherding call (they have to make an appointment if they are doing it by the book) but that's about all that will happen. You can be a multimillionare son of the most prominent elder in your part of the country and never have to ring the first doorbell or answer a single question at a WT study, but as long as you drop that check in the box once a month, you are cool. Money talks louder than anything in every congregation I've seen. I've told people there is no honorable way out. If you disassociate you are shunned, if you are disfellowshipped you are shunned, if you fade you are marked. If you join another church, heck if you just visit another church, you run the risk of being DFd for apostasy. The real question you have to ask yourself is this: Are my relationships inside the organization worth the price of staying? If your family is at stake my advice is fade to the back row, be unavailable for student talks, have a money crises, have to work longer hours, do whatever you have to do to dissappear into the crowd, then simply stop showing up every other week, then only once a month and work this down until you only attend the memoral. At least this way you are still able to stay in contact with your family without putting them in the spotlight.

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What is the criteria for deleting congregations?

by TooOpinionated in

after reading another thread about a congregation being deleted, i am curious about the process.

i didn't even know it could happen.

how is it all decided?.

Jimmy423

I was a JW for a little over 27 years and an elder for the last 15 of those years. during that time I heard of two congregations being deleted. In the first case there was a big scandal involving an affair or two among elders and their wives. Some kind of wife swapping thing was going on among a few brothers and for whatever reason, the elders decided on a cover up instead of judical action. evidently the entire body of elders knew about the thing and did nothing. As a consequence, when the circuit overseer got wind of it (God only knows HOW that happened) he supposedly made a call to the district OS, he got involved and then Brooklyn shut down the whole congregation after disfellowshipping most of the elders and deleting (don't you love that word) the other elders and ministeral servants. the rest of the congregation was redirected to another area, the buliding sold and paradise restored to all mankind. In the second case the congregation was deleted for the same reason as the last David Lee Roth concert tour. There wasn't enough money coming in to warrant turning on the lights in the building.

On another subject: I have extensive resources on the wts and will be more than happy to share my information with anyone interested in learning more about how this organization operates. I will do anything I can to prevent just one person from falling for this cult, like I did. I'm currently working on a book. In it I will describe in detail exactly how their mind controlling propaganda works on new comers and members alike. Anyone who thinks Brooklyn is not well versed in the mechanics of mind control, mass hypnosis, fear mongering and the subtle power of spirtual abuse to achieve it's ends needs this information. My goal is make this information available free to anyone who has the desire to free a loved one stuck in the grips of this propaganda machine. The tactics are age old, provable and used by every major recruiting organization in the world. The watchtower didn't invent mind control, they simply perfected it and exploited it. The guys at the top know exactly what they are doing and they do it better than anyone. The sad truth is this: Many elders know all this stuff as well as I do, they simply don't have the balls to stand up to the ecclesiastical machine. Ask me anything, if I don't know the answer, I'll find it for you.