Posts by osmosis

Apostate Kate: I don't recall anyone claiming the modern science can "comprehend" the universe. In fact, I don't actually know for sure what you mean by that, as though science is a living thing that "comprehends". Perhaps you don't quite know what science is. In any case, noone made that claim, whatever that claim may have been.

Just what is "an individual's reality"? By the very definition of the word, there can be only one "reality". Surely you must mean "thoughts" or "subjective experience" or something more like that.

I don't recall anyone "condoning or negating" anyone's "subjective experience".

Everyone: I do, however, resolutely reject the notion that one's subjective experience can be elevated to the level of objective reality, as is often attempted by people who can't tell the difference between what is clearly a subjective experience, and something objective or real.

If it's objective, then I should have equal access to it. If it's not, then don't expect to be able to have a cohesive discussion about it, because it's happening exclusively in your own head.

You people who propogate this BS about paranormal events are essentially elitist and condescending, inherently implying that you have access to knowledge that most others do not. If I don't believe your crackpot nonsense, it's because I've "never had an experience", and the typical insinuation is that it's because I'm somehow too ignorant to have one, or that my eyes are closed to them, or I've already made up my mind not to have them, while somehow you are just magically able to see them with no apparent effort.

What a load of egotistical, condescending, self-important crap.

Just shut up and show me the money. If you've got evidence, let me examine it and decide for myself. If not, quit pretending you know something I don't.

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Do you honestly think the Witness religion will end?

by free2beme in

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i know that people here make comments about the religion having problems and growth not being anything other then children born into the faith and third world countries.

i even see them make comments about, "how much longer can this go on?

" yet honestly, do you really think the witness religion will end in our life time?

osmosis

Opiate of the asses, more like it

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Ghosts, Demons, or Imagination?

by ButtLight in

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ok, its happened again!

but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.

he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.

osmosis

When topics like this erupt, I feel obligated to shamelessly plug two things.

1) www.randi.org (check out the online encyclopedia of claims, frauds, hoaxes, occult & paranormal. as an added bonus, look under "J" and tell me what you see LOL)

2) Penn & Teller's "Bullshit!" series is both amusing and educational. I highly recommend it.

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JW's having kids

by Tigerman in

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this is a simply question that came to me as i sit here reading all the various topics and their responses and i my mind often takes me back to a question that came to me some time ago.

simply put; why have jw's continued to have children .

.since the beginning - 1912,1918,1925 and so on if the end was coming in their lifetime .

osmosis

I almost forgot this part.

Instead of making predictions in the whacktower, which can be pointed to and laughed at by apostates, they will refrain from doing that and instead will periodically circulate rumours that it's, say, a year and a half away, and this time it's for real.. that way noone on the outside can prove the WTS are liars and/or idiots.

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JW's having kids

by Tigerman in

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friends

this is a simply question that came to me as i sit here reading all the various topics and their responses and i my mind often takes me back to a question that came to me some time ago.

simply put; why have jw's continued to have children .

.since the beginning - 1912,1918,1925 and so on if the end was coming in their lifetime .

osmosis

Yeah excellent point. If the end is so close at hand, why hasn't the GB invested in body disposal, why doesn't it have a big bomb shelter? Does it have a procedure manual for when the big "A" finally comes "tomorrow? .. uh or the next day?.. er, uh, maybe the day after that? no? crap!" Obviously the GB doesn't believe that the end is necessarily near.

If the R&F really believed, then why have children, unless as just an unfortunate side effect of getting laid without a condom.. Shouldn't they max out their credit cards? After all, they won't have to pay it back, really they won't!

My theory is thus: I believe the GB has finally learned from it's mistakes of the past, and just dropped the whole wild speculation business. The dubs I know no longer believe in specific predicted dates, just "could be any day now, you never know when". They also exhibit a certain amount of denial over the fervor of the past predictions, as though the whacktower never insisted on 1975 or 1914, as though thousands of JWs didn't sell their homes in anticipation of the new system.

If you press the matter they will say "they're just men, we don't worship them as gods", but that's not quite true.

To me the JW phenomenon is at once extremely fascinating and highly disturbing. The deeper I penetrate into this illogic the more I come to understand one of the hugest mental fallacies conceivable. Not just a fallacy, a system of fallacies, all intricately intertwined, at once dependent on and supportive of each other.

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JC ON TAPE

by SickofLies in

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http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

osmosis

What is WITH the bloody dubs, they think they have a monopoly on "what the bible says".

They don't even acknowledge that there is a process of interpretation. It's like they think it just says what it says, and if you disagree with them, you've disagreed with the bible itself.

Oh well, they've got one of the worst interpretations possible, no wonder they hide from the fact.

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JC ON TAPE

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

osmosis

LOL yeah, my idea, I'm just glad you got so much mileage about it.

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JC ON TAPE

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

osmosis

LMFAO

"I dunno, you tell me"

"No, YOU tell ME. When I ask you a question, could you please not always answer with a question"

How did I know that would get on someone's nerves.

Good job, man.