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  Favorite Fragrances???

  by noni1974 in

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  i love elizabeth arden's splendor.they stopped making it.

  when i got my order from the online source they had put a sample of another kind of perfume in the box.called exceptional.i fell in love with it.so i bought myself some of that for christmas as well.i don't know who makes it but i love it.

  i also had bought some bora bora by liz claiborne.i found that at marshels as well a few months ago.i love bora bora also.

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  Escape. Everytime I smell Escape, it makes me want to howl at the moon.

  David
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  Will the WTS start taking a hardline towards all the ''faders'' in the org?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  '' faders'' are a thorn on the sides of the wts.

  they miss meetings,don't contribute any money,don't go out in service,and can contribute towards the ''spiritual sickness'' of the local congregations.. will there come a point where they will ask each and every ''fader'' if they wish to remain in or out of the congregation?

  can they come up with scriptures to warn the congregation that you are a ''fader'' and are be marked?

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  david_10

  It has always been my opinion that fading is the best way to leave the Organization. Sometimes you can do it------sometimes you can't. There can be a lot of variables involved, but if you don't have any powerful enemies and if you fade gradually, then you probably can get away with it.

  My wife and I left 20 years ago and we've had no problems at all. I've known others, however, who have been hounded relentessly by the same elders that have left us alone. They're unpredictable and you're never sure what they will do.

  So here is my checklist of Things You Have To Remember:

  1. The Society has plainly stated their position concerning faders.

  2. The local body of elders has the power to do whatever it sees fit, and a few surprisingly mean elders have too much time on their hands.

  3. There is no expiration date.

  I've known former witnesses who have been out for many years suddenly find themselves dealing with elders who are in a mood to clean house. You never know what to expect. But------ usually ------ fading is the best way to go.

  David
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  2007 WTS Statistics - Massive memorial partakers increase this year.

  by LtCmd.Lore in

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  this year, according to the 2008 year book, there were 9,105 partakers.. i guess now that they have permission to be annointed from the wts they decided to jump on board.. .

  who won?

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/133255/1.ashx.

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  The doctrine of a diminishing annointed remnant has always made me suspicious, and is one of the first things that got me to having doubts. To me, seeing how those numbers have jumped around for the past 70 years or so (and how they go up as often as not) proves one of two things:

  1. Jehovah is a very poor judge of character and makes a lot of stupid selections that he has to replace.

  -or-

  2. The whole thing is a big crock.

  I'd go with #2.

  David
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  TurnThat Music Down Boy.....

  by hillary_step in

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  any audiophiles on the board will have noticed how in recent years one has to turn music up past its comfortable level to get a decent balance of sound.. do not feel that this is your imagination, it is not.

  it is by design and designed to suit the ears of young people who think that loud sound is better sound.. http://funl.blogspot.com/2007/06/loudness-war.html.

  this link provides a simple explanation of what happens at the mixing and mastering stage of much modern music production.

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  Thanks, Hillary------------------------------a very informative video. The comments following the video were very interesting, too. It confirms what I've thought for years: Very few people listen to music; they listen to sound. And those are two entirely different things.

  David
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  "They (WT) took me out of context", Gail Bethea-Jackson video

  by Fatfreek in

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  2. scandals

  this is too important to bury within an old thread.

  that thread hashed over several items of interest which you may want to read by way of a refresher: .

  is gail bethea-jackson truly a doctor as the watchtower site claims?

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  david_10

  Thank you, Len-------------------------all your hard work on this is really appreciated.

  David
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  Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  i like to read the km to see what the wtbts is saying, and then to think about what they really mean.. information appears in the km when problem need to be addressed in the organization.

  the article on.

  the front page "make the most of your time in the ministry" was insightful to me.

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  I've been out of the loop for a long time now, but it doesn't look like things are much different now that they ever have been: basically, people hate going in service. Another article in the Kingdom Ministry isn't going to change that, either--------------------------------elders, pioneers, publishers, one and all, are going to keep right on fudging their time.

  When I was pioneering back in the early 70's, pioneers had to get in 100 hours a month and so we learned ALL the tricks. Now, I never actually lied on my report because that would have been stealing from Jehovah. But I became very skilled at manipulating numbers, just like publishers do today. The most common thing that I did was the Not - At - Home ploy. I had several not - at - homes scattered around and I would always start my time at one before meeting for service. Many times, I would get so desperate for time that I would go back and forth among these houses knowing that I would never have to talk to anybody. I know all the neighbors saw me and it's a wonder nobody ever called the police.

  I remember the struggle for time would get so fierce that toward the end of the month I would go to the train station and bus station around midnight to pass out magazines, usually by leaving the back issues on a bench. I got to where I would do anything to get that time in. It was the only thing that mattered. Visit someone in the hospital or nursing home? Only if I counted my time. I had several elderly return visits and I would regularly go see them because I knew that they were so lonely they would always let me in and I could stay as long as I wanted and count the time. Of course.

  Love had nothing to do with it. Thinking about it now makes me feel sick and ashamed. And it never dawned on me how fanatical and pointless it was. And all my pioneer partners were the same way. We all thought that we were being blessed to put ourselves through that torture. After all, 1975 was bearing down on us and we were going to die if we didn't. And it didn't end there. Even after I was off the pioneer rolls, I was an appointed servant up until I left the Organization in 1987 and I had to do pretty much the same thing, only on a smaller scale. My "privileges" were very important to me and I had to keep those hours up. I think back on those times and I just can't believe I did it.

  Sick and ashamed.

  David
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  Creepy JW Music for Kids!

  by limbogirl in

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  maybe this has already been posted or you're familiar with it but i just discovered this on itunes.

  it's being sold on itunes.. the subject matter alone is enough to make you want to barf but get a load of the music and singing talent on this little gem.

  a couple of the tracks landed in an imix of the worst music on itunes.

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  At first, I listened to the songs with some amusement and even amazement that anyone would have the sheer nerve to market something like this. But after I thought about it for a while, two things occurred to me.

  First, Mr. Alt isn't quite as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He's very unpolished and amateurish, but he does show some musical ability. It's too bad that he opted to waste his life in a controlling cult instead of going to a reputable school and developing his raw talent into something more artistic. Had he done so, I think he possibly could've had a career in one of the many areas of music, whether it be performance or production or A&R. But something. As it is, he has remained unpolished and amateurish, extremely. And I would like to point out to Mr. Alt that it's not too late---------------------------he could still do it.

  Second, I find it very sad. Using his musical ability, he has been able to do what few witnesses are able to do: he has expressed exactly what it is like to be a witness and be controlled by the ideals of a few old men and their pipe dreams. It's pitiful. Sad beyond words. There are millions of faithful witnesses who think exactly what he has expressed in his songs, and there's no way to get through to them. With the kind of mentality shown here, it's a wonder that anyone is able to break free. The "tipping point" for each person is different, but every one of us should be so grateful that we were tipped over the edge and figured it out and got out. It sure doesn't happen very often. Listen to those songs and you can understand why.

  David
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  LASER GUNS AND CHILDREN......

  by Mary in

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  my co-worker came in this morning and we were just talking about our weekend and she told me that she and her husband took their kids to this park where they arm you with laser guns, you go into this maze with the lights turned down low and some sort of shield on and when you come across someone you shoot them with the laser gun.

  obviously no one gets injured and she said it was "great fun", but i was somewhat shocked that she took her kids to this as they are 5, 8 and 9 years of age.

  while adults can differentiate between realilty and fantasy, i find it somewhat disturbing that her 5 year old daughter is learning to have "fun" by stimulating shooting another human being.

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  Hmmmmm. Good Question. I don't know the answer, either.

  When I was a kid, 10 or 11 or thereabouts, my 2 brothers, the other kids from the neighborhood and myself staged wars using rubber-band guns. It became quite a competition to build the biggest and most powerful weapon, and we really outdid ourselves. We developed these guns as long as rifles with clothespin triggers, and we would weight the rubber-bands with bobby pins and marbles and they had a range of maybe 50'. And, boy, did they hurt------------------------when you got hit, you knew you were hit. It's a wonder that none of us got an eye put out or something. But, looking back, I don't think we suffered any psyhcological harm. Personally, I despise guns and don't own one or even want one. My brothers feel the same way. I lost track of the other kids, but, as far as I know, none of them have ever gone on a shooting spree or anything. So I kinda think that there's no harm in this activity. The lasers are the hi-tech version of the rubber-band gun, only a lot safer. So I don't think I would worry too much. But then again.............I probably wouldn't be comfortable letting my kids do it. Know what I mean?

  David
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  News About 2006 Memorial

  by Severus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a call to action.

  please read.

  jehovah's witnesses will be celebrating the memorial of jesus death on wednesday, april 12th.

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  david_10

  "No use in any of us wasting our time in something that yielded practically no results."
  

  
  That's what I've been saying all along.
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  News About 2006 Memorial

  by Severus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a call to action.

  please read.

  jehovah's witnesses will be celebrating the memorial of jesus death on wednesday, april 12th.

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  david_10

  "I wasn't offended (just disagreed), but thank you for the apology."

  You're welcome, SSSN. And thank you for your post. I would say that with a few minor concessions, we're pretty much on the same page. I particularly agreed with your statement about the youth--------------------------------------The kids are leaving in droves, and that fact along with the Internet are the biggest problems that the Society faces. Without the youth providing the renewal that any organization needs, " the religion will slowly die." And then over here in the other corner, they have the Internet coming at them relentlessly, chipping away at there authority and beliefs----------------------------------------they're in a fix, and they know it. We apostates are the most important part of the internet battle, for sure, but I just believe that we could be more effective if some of us some were't quite as aggressive. It appears that I'm in the minority on this point, so to each his own, I suppose.

  That's how I see it anyway. (To borrow a good line.)

  Take care.....

  David