what do you get when you put a bunch of computer literate star trek fans together on a forum?
mindless propoganda with an enterprise slant, that's what!
to the person (forgotten you nick, sorry) who showed me a link to this site, shot a lot!
I noticed there's a new thread titled "Let's Play Awake Mag Trivia".
Oh my......I must must must become a member over there - that sounds like just oodles of fun doesn't it gals? Why - we could really work our little ole' brain cells by studying those articles while strengthening our resolve to always always always support the organization at any cost - no matter what. What a grand idea - let's go girls...after all, Where else is there to go?
Gotta go ralph in my toilet....................
do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?
To Marilyn:
Awwwwwww Cmmmmmmoooonnnnnnnnn. don't I get even a crumb for all that work? After all - we're so much better than those evil NON-christians right (he he he ) - ok - just kidding!!
get ready to meet your god o israel, is no doubt a meaningless phrase to those who have no fear of god.
those who in their presumptuousness imagine that there will not be a day when jehovah settles accounts with his people can only be described as faithless and apostate.
but, for those who fear god the prospect of jehovahs impending judgment both fills one with dread and awe.
You Know:
You have drawn a correlation between the judgments enacted on the Isrealites in the Old Testament and judgments being enacted today on the WTBS.
Let me carry this a bit farther:
OLD TESTAMENT: Jehovah sent a prophet ("an insider") to the King to warn him that the Nation needs to straighten up
NOW: Jehovah (or God, or Jesus - depending on your belief) sent "an insider" (Bill Bowen for one) to warn the GB that the Nation needs to straighten something up.
OLD TESTAMENT: The King throws the prophet out and doesn't listen
NOW: The GB won't listen and are threatening to throw the "insider" out
OLD TESTAMENT: Jehovah uses an outside nation ("outside agency") to bring discipline and cleansing
NOW: Jehovah/God/Jesus uses an outside agency to bring discipline and cleansing
So did they get it? Not as far as I can see. I have checked a number of JW discussion boards and the majority of posts (90%+) are about how those "apostates" are attacking the organization - how the organization is being made to look bad - poor us in the organization, we're being picked on, whaaaaaa. What I haven't seen are posts saying "We better fix this before more kids are hurt!!"
What happened to the Nation of Isreal when they continually refused to listen to Jehovah? Well - according to JW doctrine, he dropped them like a hot potato after they denied Christ and picked up a new "spiritual nation" now known as the 144,000.
So what do you suppose he'll do if the new "spiritual nation" doesn't listen to his discipline? My guess is he's going to trash it like he did the Isrealites and drop it like a hot potato. That is - of course - if he hasn't already.
do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?
Hey Mike - simple...don't
i am not trying to be sly or trick you.
these questions are the ones that i would love to ask the elders that occasionally come to visit me.
or satan's (at least sometimes?
I am currently preparing a web site for the purpose of serving as a place where friends of Jehovah can consider what heretofore has not been presented to them
It sounds to me like you're getting ready to take the place of the governing body when everything crashes - is that a correct assumption or did I misunderstand??
...and why they are wrong.
post your favourite dateline justification/dodge/attack by a dub here!
we should have a sizeable collection going in no time guys!
Gee Syn - I think you pretty much covered them all
i am not trying to be sly or trick you.
these questions are the ones that i would love to ask the elders that occasionally come to visit me.
or satan's (at least sometimes?
You Know:
Thank you for your posts.
Although I no longer believe that the WTBS is God's chosen organization - I do appreciate reading your posts. I think it is a good idea to keep an open mind and I like to hear both sides of these issues.
I hope that you continue to contribute to this forum.
do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?
Non draws the line when it comes to those who hate Jehovah and those that practice sin. Non do not want to be buddy buddy and hobknob with worldings who cuss, drink too much, are homosexual or who fornicate. If you hang with the ungodly, guess what you gonna be.
Non - I am very curious how you and Eutapro would respond to someone like myself. I am DF and now a born again Christian. I love Jehovah and Jesus, read my bible regularly, go to weekly bible studies, Church on Sunday, am a part-time Sunday school techer. I am not a homosexual, fornicator, etc. etc. etc. although I am imperfect and I sin daily (hey - let's be honest right?!) - but I try to live a wholesome life and am making an effort to allow Jesus to be the Lord of my life.
However - I do not believe that the WTBS is God's chosen organization. In fact, I do not believe that ANY organized religion by itself is God's chosen organization - I believe that we each must have a personal relationship with God and Jesus. I go to Church as it is a place to worship God and offers encouragement to me - but I don't "follow" the pastor - I only follow God.
So - am I considered "ungodly"? I'm not trying to start an argument here - I am really curious as to your response. I have had this discussion with other JW's when I ask them why they continue to shun me now that I am no longer committing the act of fornication which I was DF'd for 12 years ago and have repented from.
do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?
Eutapro - you are making quite a generalized statement here. There are some individuals on this board that I do not agree with at all - there are some that I agree with on a few issues - and there are others that I find a kindred with.
It was the same when I was a JW - some I really connected to and felt they had a wonderful heart and were very faithful. Then there were others that really only worried about appearances. To group them together and say that ALL JW's only care about are the "outward appearances" would be wrong.
Non is sure that some ex jws do support such a policy. And there are plenty of jws that do not. There are plenty of jw that detest and abhor pedophilia
Non - I agree with you on this. My mother was very upset at how some of the situations were handled, although she still believes the WTBS is God's true Organization she does not believe that they are perfect and never make mistakes. I only hope that those who really "detest and abhor pedophilia" will follow-up and be sure that the policies are changed AND FOLLOWED to protect children in the future.
As I see it - the issue should not be JWs vs ex-JWs - it should be all of us standing up to protect children in EVERY circumstance or religion - regardless of our personal beliefs.
do you remember those little demonstrations that are given at assemblies?
did they give the characters in the demo names to match their character at yours?
for example brother lee love, brother stressed, sister mature, sister nervous, brother joyful and my all time favourite sister new-in-the-truth!.
I wonder if they'll have Brother Fred O'Phile foe the next convention - you know, the brother who can only go door-to-door if accompanied by an elder carrying handcuffs and a stun gun in case he gets out of hand again.
Yea right. I noticed that at the very end of the Dateline segment last night they showed a "brother" out in service - one known as a molestor who had 17 cases reported internally. Who was he accompanied by? Well - making an assumption here but it looked like it was probably his wife. I sure hope not - come on!! You mean to tell me they would let him go door-to-door only with his wife as a chaperone - the same wife that was around when the other 17 cases of molestation occured? Get real!!
If I found out my husband did that - not only would I NOT be in service with him - I'd be crusading to have the SOB castrated!!
