Posts by Ancientofdays

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i am doing some research to show.....

i am doing some research to show a brother coming next weekend words added and left out of the nwt and require a pdf download of the nwt also a kingdom interlinear would be most hopefull .... does anyone have these in pdf ?.

kind regards .

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Ancientofdays

Hi,

You can find here http://www.sendspace.com/file/2c90kr selected pages from the Kingdom Interlinear Version in .pdf sith note. Very useful for research.

Cannot help with the NWT in .pdf

ciao

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Greg Stafford

by Roddy in

i got wind that a very important jw apologist - greg stafford - has left the jws and started his own group.

is this true?.

can someone fill me in?

Ancientofdays

1) What makes Stafford very important ? He wrotes "Jehovah's Witness defended" , a best seller book in the JW community. Is also translate in other than english, like in italian. I know many JW in Italy have red this book, and claim Stafford as a scholar on the side of the Watch Tower (a rarity)..

2) Why did he leave?
He disagree with WTS on their abuse of autority, human rules, and blood policy.

3) What distinguishes his new religious movement from JWs? (Is there a movement yet?)
Name of God, blood policy, money, asset. I think they're still virtual movement. They meet via the Internet.

I hope this may be a start for JWs massive escape from the Tower, I don't know if is realistic hope.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the WT Study (10/8 Train Children)

by WT Comments in

Ancientofdays

"JW children are an essential asset to the growth of the religion"

I like this !! And, yes is so true.

"But most kids don't stay JW. Check in next week to learn why."

Looking forward for next week ...

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Body of Christ and body of 144.000 after resurrection

by Ancientofdays in

we know that watchtower teachs that "first resurrection" already toke place for the 1st class christian group, the 144.000.. so , each of the 144.000 still alive on the earth is immediately resurrected after he dies.

but .. their body still on the earth .. so , why ?.

i mean why body of christ disappear after his resurrection and bodies of 144.000 not ?

Ancientofdays

We know that Watchtower teachs that "first resurrection" already toke place for the 1st class christian group, the 144.000.

So , each of the 144.000 still alive on the earth is immediately resurrected after he dies

But .. their body still on the earth .

So , why ?

I mean why body of Christ disappear after his resurrection and bodies of 144.000 NOT ?

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Has the Watchtower ever officially LIED?

by Dead Man Joaquin in

no, i'm not here to defend them.

but you know how they love to get off on technicalities.

i'm sure all here would agree that the wt is extremely evasive, misleading, and intellectually dishonest (i.e.

Ancientofdays

Awake! 1973 January 22 p.8 “… Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance , as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things.”

Cannot find this sentence in my CD-ROM Italian version.

At that time Italian magazine were some monthe delayed. So, could you please give title of this article ?

thanks

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Announcement Letter of Russell's Death

by startingover in

i found this original letter in my families archives.

don't know why the second page is discolored but it's original.. it's interesting the mention of the toga on the second page, and that they called the magazine "the tower".

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Ancientofdays

I fail to see how one can put that much emphasis on one man that one loses one's faith when one discovers things one doesn't like about that man - then it is not the others, but oneself, who has got problems

An organizzation claim to be God's channel because the foundator has been committed by Jesus.
Some men beleive it.

When one of this man "discovers things" on the foundator , he just ask him self : why did Jesus made a deal with this funny guy in the beginning of 19th century ? I wouldn't have take him so seriously , so why Jesus did ?
That's the point , I think

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Help ! Two of my boys (13 and 10) want to become publisher

by Ancientofdays in

i know this day would have arrived , sooner or later.. .

i'm inactive from 1 year now, and i go to the meeting just sometime on the sunday.. but my wife is in a very well standing , and the kids are following her at meeting and service field.. .

yesteray evening my wife told me that my 2 boys asked the elder to become publisher.. they are 13 and 10 age.. the elder was very polite , and ask my wife to have my opinion regarding this.. i'm going to talk the oldest boy (not taking in consideration the 10 yrs old one).. i would like not to be so drastic and not offend him, but i have to start some point to tell him some truth regarding this organization .. any suggestion ?.

Ancientofdays

Thanks to everybody.

I've printed out the full discussion, you gave me lots of nice thoughts I will approach the kids this coming w-enk. I think I'll be soft, but I will investigate their "faith" with specific question. In order to make clear 2 point. 1)They still have not the right level of knowledge. 2)They are doing emotional blind-faith instead of rational decision.

then ...will see

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Help ! Two of my boys (13 and 10) want to become publisher

by Ancientofdays in

i know this day would have arrived , sooner or later.. .

i'm inactive from 1 year now, and i go to the meeting just sometime on the sunday.. but my wife is in a very well standing , and the kids are following her at meeting and service field.. .

yesteray evening my wife told me that my 2 boys asked the elder to become publisher.. they are 13 and 10 age.. the elder was very polite , and ask my wife to have my opinion regarding this.. i'm going to talk the oldest boy (not taking in consideration the 10 yrs old one).. i would like not to be so drastic and not offend him, but i have to start some point to tell him some truth regarding this organization .. any suggestion ?.

Ancientofdays

I know this day would have arrived , sooner or later.

I'm inactive from 1 year now, and I go to the meeting just sometime on the Sunday.
But my wife is in a very well standing , and the kids are following her at meeting and service field.

Yesteray evening my wife told me that my 2 boys asked the elder to become publisher.
They are 13 and 10 age.

The elder was very polite , and ask my wife to have my opinion regarding this.

I'm going to talk the oldest boy (not taking in consideration the 10 yrs old one).

I would like not to be so drastic and not offend him, but I have to start some point to tell him some truth regarding this organization .

Any suggestion ?
Someone already experienced ?

thanks

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The Truth From the Bible About the 144,000

by AllTimeJeff in

i hope this wont take me too long, as being concise isnt my biggest talent.

a recent thread on the 144,000 made me put a couple of things together about the governing body.

these are the ones that claim to have authority from jehovah, to tell the over 6,00,000 that although we arent masters over anyones faith, these 150 items are absolutely prohibited for you to do.

Ancientofdays

Reading you posts , I've been going to focus another insubstantial claim.

Starting question is : how can the 144.000 sing in front of the 24 elders (Rev 14:3) if they are the same group ?

Answer to this question is found in the Revelation climax book (cap. 29, pag 201, par.10) is : they are the same group but from a different angle; the 144.000 are the remanent on the earth, instead the 24 elder are already death and in the heaven ...(moreless it says this , sorry I cannot quote as I have not CD-ROM in english). So the 144.000 are singing from the earth in front of their brother already in heaven.

BUT ... how can the 144.000 be on the earth if in Rev 14:1, in the same vision contest ,just 2 verses above, they have been seen together with the Lord on the Zion ????

that struggle me

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GB's member Gerrit Losch on college in Monza (Italy) in 2005

by Ancientofdays in

i don't know if already posted this video, but it's really interesting .

i had a lot of rumor regarding this speech , but never listened my self before.

the speech is in italian, but some nice guy has subtitled in english.

Ancientofdays

I don't know if already posted this video, but it's really interesting . I had a lot of rumor regarding this speech , but never listened my self before. The speech is in italian, but some nice guy has subtitled in english. have fun ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4f9ygxDbk

"..he bought a rifle , put on his mouth and pulled the trigger.."