Posts by Ancientofdays

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How the Governing Body Solved Another Problem

by Cameron_Don in

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that interpretation had caused a problem that the governing body was never able to satisfactorily explain.

they needed to be able to show that there has always been a functioning faithful and discreet slave in one form or another ever since.

but they were never able to provide any evidence for the existence of an ongoing 1900 year-old slave prior to the appearance of the watchtower society.

Ancientofdays

I don't know if following has been already touched.

Because "slave" appeared in 1919, then all predictions, speculations , doctrines, before that year
were clearly NOT "food at proper time".

But C T Russell pointed to 1914 as "end of gentle time", starting from late XIX century, a long before 1919.
So , where does "1914" comes from , being clearly not ascribable to "food from slave class" ?

Why "1914" is still a valid eschatological date, if has been defined long time before "slave class" appointment ?

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Jesus' parousia started in 1975, Governing Body selected as Faithful and Discreet Slave and Evil Slave dealt with by 1980, and Armageddon arrives in 2015?

by JWB in

jesus' parousia started in 1975, governing body selected as faithful and discreet slave and evil slave dealt with by 1980, armageddon arrives in 2015?.

it seems to me that some new light needs to be generated if the governing body (gb) of jws is to be considered as the faithful and discreet slave (fds).. .

(a) gb needs to be around as an entity when selected by jesus during his parousia.

Ancientofdays

Sounds quite good to me, but the weakness could be the date for big A: "2015" .

GB will have soon, in few years time, to justify a failure and will need to shine "new light"

accordingly at 2016 Annual Meeting ...

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The Society debunked the rumored new light on the F&DS in 1973

by Leolaia in

this is the summary of the rumored new light from the 2012 annual meeting, as posted by cedars.. the faithful and discreet slave was not appointed at pentecost 33ce, meaning that there has not been a continuous line of members of the slave class on the earth down through the ages.

the slave class was only appointed for the first time by christ in 1919.the faithful and discreet slave is a small group of anointed brothers during jesus presence serving at watchtower headquarters who are directly involved in the preparing and dispensing of spiritual food.

the individual members of the governing body are not the faithful and discreet slave.

Ancientofdays

"But that would mean there was no FDS in existence from Pentecost 33CE until 1919CE, which is absurd."

So , who wrote New Testament books (eg. apostle) were NOT part of FDS ?

Neither who spoke in languages ?

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

Ancientofdays

1- One year ago. A married JW imale 35 yrs old, from my ex-cong. We used to stay often together when I was in.

1- Many years ago at Olympic Stadium in Rome , during District Convention. He jumped from the terraces, and no, the DC program was not suspended at all.

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"Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12

by yourmomma in

have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?

its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .

if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?

Ancientofdays

Also with the Magazine:

A cosmetic kit for a perfect make-up. So all JW-wives can go to the Hall
and hide black eyes, swallen cheeks, and smile to praise Jehova !!

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How Many JWs Have You known Who Have Commited Suicide?

by Was New Boy in

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james olsen and richaed wheellock both bethelites.. rich templet.

rich and james out of guilt, richard out of depression.. james and rich were both under 30 years old.. after richard wheelock (a bethel heavy) killed himself the society changed it's stand on whether suicides could be resurrectioned or not..

Ancientofdays

I know 2 personally, both in my congregation (ex)

The first did nod suceed , and he's now an ex-JW.

The second just 8 months ago.

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I am new here too!

by NVR2L8 in

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for a long while i have been coming to this site on a daily basis and i think it is time to introduce myself.

here we go: my parents learned the truth when i was 4 and i don't have childhood memories of how life was before they converted.

i was a model jw child, although quite mischievous at school.

Ancientofdays

WELCOME

You remind me a lot my own experience.
When I jumped down from WTS in 2006/2007 I was quite sure my wife could follow me, due to strong evidence of WTS lies and fallacies.

Over 2 years of verbal fight and disagreenment, and then we stop.
She knows I'm right on WTS, but she NEED to believe something.
I know she has no resource for a complete review of her system of belief. social and family relationship (all of her family are JWs in very well standing).

All the best for your trip

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Who or What Helped YOU Get Out Of The Watchtower Mindset?

by minimus in

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was there a person, a book, a situation that helped you see that the "truth" was not what it was supposed to be?

?.

Ancientofdays

My decision to step-out cames from Steve Hassan and Ray Franz books.

But the residual Watchtower mindset has been removed only after I decided to retart study and enrolled at University.
By studing disciplines within an academic approach was fundamental to me for evidence all the inconsintecy, contradictory, paradoxical,unreliable of "teocracy".

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March kool-aid edition available ...

by wannabefree in

march "study" edition is available for download at jw(dot)org.

first article "do not deceive yourselves with false reasonings" ... does a good job at blaming the individual witness for losing a sense of urgency ... surely the organization has no culpability for this.. the bible also warns about the danger of deceiving ourselves with false reasoning.'-jas.1:22..

a wrong view of the timing of the divine purpose could lead us to lose sightof the importance of our spiritual activities and become sidetracked with personal interests.. (zech.

Ancientofdays

"But chose the old rate because it looks much worse."

But 1 on 142 is not that worse !!!
Consider when Jehova-killer will make his Armagheddon sadistic show.
Approximately 99,9 % of the population will be murdered ...

That is worst

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Children of 1975

by d in

what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..

Ancientofdays

Imminent in the real world is "about to happen", it's in connection with the time and space.
(eg. if my PC has a message "Hard Drive detects imminent failure", I immediately backup my photo and music, I know with one more PC reboot I could loose all my data )

Imminent in JW world is an empty word, meaningless; with just purpose of exciting a frustrated crowd.