1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.
2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.
so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.
This one may create some trouble to "lovely" Circuit Oversees ...
11 For we hear certain ones are walking disorderly among ? YOU , not working at all but meddling with what does not concern them.
12 To such persons we give the order and exhortation in [the] Lord Jesus Christ that by working with quietness they should eat food
they themselves earn.
1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.
2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.
so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.
what about 1 Cor 4:3–5 vs. judical comitee ?
3 Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by ? YOU ? or by a human tribunal. Even I do not examine myself. 4 For I am not conscious of anything against myself. Yet by this I am not proved righteous, but he that examines me is Jehovah. 5 Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.
that interpretation had caused a problem that the governing body was never able to satisfactorily explain.
they needed to be able to show that there has always been a functioning faithful and discreet slave in one form or another ever since.
but they were never able to provide any evidence for the existence of an ongoing 1900 year-old slave prior to the appearance of the watchtower society.
I don't know if following has been already touched.
Because "slave" appeared in 1919, then all predictions, speculations , doctrines, before that year
were clearly NOT "food at proper time".
But C T Russell pointed to 1914 as "end of gentle time", starting from late XIX century, a long before 1919.
So , where does "1914" comes from , being clearly not ascribable to "food from slave class" ?
Why "1914" is still a valid eschatological date, if has been defined long time before "slave class" appointment ?
jesus' parousia started in 1975, governing body selected as faithful and discreet slave and evil slave dealt with by 1980, armageddon arrives in 2015?.
it seems to me that some new light needs to be generated if the governing body (gb) of jws is to be considered as the faithful and discreet slave (fds).. .
(a) gb needs to be around as an entity when selected by jesus during his parousia.
Sounds quite good to me, but the weakness could be the date for big A: "2015" .
GB will have soon, in few years time, to justify a failure and will need to shine "new light"
accordingly at 2016 Annual Meeting ...
this is the summary of the rumored new light from the 2012 annual meeting, as posted by cedars.. the faithful and discreet slave was not appointed at pentecost 33ce, meaning that there has not been a continuous line of members of the slave class on the earth down through the ages.
the slave class was only appointed for the first time by christ in 1919.the faithful and discreet slave is a small group of anointed brothers during jesus presence serving at watchtower headquarters who are directly involved in the preparing and dispensing of spiritual food.
the individual members of the governing body are not the faithful and discreet slave.
"But that would mean there was no FDS in existence from Pentecost 33CE until 1919CE, which is absurd."
So , who wrote New Testament books (eg. apostle) were NOT part of FDS ?
Neither who spoke in languages ?
thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
1- One year ago. A married JW imale 35 yrs old, from my ex-cong. We used to stay often together when I was in.
1- Many years ago at Olympic Stadium in Rome , during District Convention. He jumped from the terraces, and no, the DC program was not suspended at all.
have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?
its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .
if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?
james olsen and richaed wheellock both bethelites.. rich templet.
rich and james out of guilt, richard out of depression.. james and rich were both under 30 years old.. after richard wheelock (a bethel heavy) killed himself the society changed it's stand on whether suicides could be resurrectioned or not..
I know 2 personally, both in my congregation (ex)
The first did nod suceed , and he's now an ex-JW.
The second just 8 months ago.
for a long while i have been coming to this site on a daily basis and i think it is time to introduce myself.
here we go: my parents learned the truth when i was 4 and i don't have childhood memories of how life was before they converted.
i was a model jw child, although quite mischievous at school.
WELCOME
You remind me a lot my own experience.
When I jumped down from WTS in 2006/2007 I was quite sure my wife could follow me, due to strong evidence of WTS lies and fallacies.
Over 2 years of verbal fight and disagreenment, and then we stop.
She knows I'm right on WTS, but she NEED to believe something.
I know she has no resource for a complete review of her system of belief. social and family relationship (all of her family are JWs in very well standing).
All the best for your trip
was there a person, a book, a situation that helped you see that the "truth" was not what it was supposed to be?
?.
My decision to step-out cames from Steve Hassan and Ray Franz books.
But the residual Watchtower mindset has been removed only after I decided to retart study and enrolled at University.
By studing disciplines within an academic approach was fundamental to me for evidence all the inconsintecy, contradictory, paradoxical,unreliable of "teocracy".
