i am hoping you can help me.
i have a very dear friend of over 20 years, who was brought up jw.
our children are friends and we have vacationed and been like sisters all these years.
She has a Product , and you are the target consumer.
Friendship with you is just one Product attribute , to increase the appeal.
I know this sound horribile, but this is the way JWs mind works.
I think she's now daydreaming about you in the "Truth", and she telling your story as an "experience" in a Circuit Assembly ...
They're very nice people, but Organization teachings lead them to a kind of mental insanity.
no eh speaka los italiano..
It's an old story , 1988.
This video is the story on a body of elders in Sicily in conflict with the Circuit Oversee.
The elders try to focus the congregation members on helping others, cristian support and so on, but the CO urge on field service
as the only focus relevant for Governing Body and so for Jehova's will.
"What flags in these days the APOSTATE is they speak too much about LOVE."
This sentence from CO upset the elders.
Last guy on the video is Sergio Pollina.
He wrote several essay and many books (only in italian as far as I know).
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shamus100 - And what of Catholics who just go once in a while - I don't see any difference between dubs and other religions, personallly.
Well, I can see you point.
But difference between JWs and Catholic , or other mainstream religious group, could be that dubs are working hard for WTS, without any payback (apparently).
So , maybe the implication in this hypotesys is what the payback could be (utilitarian area of the brain) ?
Another question maybe is : does the brain changes, and how, when a dub start his transit process from well-standing to disillusion to leaving ,and shunning ?
i'm not sure this has already been posted, but looks great from the trailer.. .
this is jw's from the inside, based on denmark.. this story sound very much like to the many stories we can read in the forum of ex-jws around the world.. so it could be a good way to expose jws as a sect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywh4sgh184i.
I'm sorry , I'm having some issue with formatting, as I do not use IE. Try to make it better. If someone can help ...
i'm not sure this has already been posted, but looks great from the trailer.. .
this is jw's from the inside, based on denmark.. this story sound very much like to the many stories we can read in the forum of ex-jws around the world.. so it could be a good way to expose jws as a sect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywh4sgh184i.
I'm not sure this has already been posted, but looks great from the trailer.
This is JW's from the inside, based on Denmark.
This story sound very much like to the many stories we can read in the forum of ex-JWs around the world.
So it could be a good way to expose JWs as a sect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWH4SgH184I
This film is from Niels Arden Oplev , and is Foreign Film contenders at OSCAR.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0649117/news#ni0561427
i don't remember if i signed any papers stating that i would be a member of the jehovah's witnesses when i was baptized 30 years ago.
do elders,ministerial servants,pioneers,or bethel workers ever sign a contract stating what position they will hold?
if no contracts are ever signed,how can the wts enforce disfellowshipping of any of its members?
I think it's different in any country.
In Italy WTS is a giuridical entity or a corporation and have a Social Statute and based on this they obtain an agreenment with govern authotity in 1989 to operate a s a non profit corporation.
The reason for that agreenment is to obtain sovvention from the govern (so far not yet)
The Social Stature has a full list of code for the members(JWs) and their relationship with the Organization.
Not to mention that Social Statute is not delivered to the JWs to allow their acknoledgment, it's stored in the secret Congregation file.
Based on the Social Statute JW becomes member of the Organization at baptism, when he/she shout "YES" on the 2 question (especially the second one).
Still , on the Social Statute there's a chapter (Art.5) stating that a JW may dismiss itself from the Organization as corporation.
Two years ago an exJW (a lawyer) started a lawsuit against WTS Italy, as he would like to dismissis from the corporation but not from the JW religion , and he claim the court that the announcement in the congregation "XY in no nlonger a JW" is a social discrimination and a retention of indiviual religion freedom.
After that many JW in Italy sent a "dismission from the corporation (Art. 5)" letter asking not to be discriminated treathening going to the court.
We'll see in some months how this will go. In Italy timing for civil action are incredible long.
i'm wondering how it works.
they claim holy spirit, of course, but there's no detail on the formal acts.
when is time to add a new member ?
I'm wondering how it works. They claim Holy Spirit, of course, but there's no detail on the formal acts. When is time to add a new member ? Why? How they select/filter the candidates ? Do the existing GB member vote for the new ? If you have a topic covering this subject , please give me a link. Thanks
i'm wondering how it works.
they claim holy spirit, of course, but there's no detail on the formal acts.
when is time to add a new member ?
I'm wondering how it works. They claim Holy Spirit, of course, but there's no detail on the formal acts. When is time to add a new member ? Why? How they select/filter the candidates ? Do the existing GB member vote for the new ? If you have a topic covering this subject , please give me a link. Thanks
i hate myself for just going along with this nonsense..
Easyrider : looks like we share the same wife !!
When I start recovering myself mental sanity (2 years ago) I argue a lot with my wife. I made every point concerning me very clear , but I cannot stop going to the meeting. She was more furius with me not going to the meeting than with me expressing my frankly thought on "the truth" and the SFD ! And I wasn't soft.
I first stop going to the Revelation Climax disgusting study. I demostrate her the insanity and incoerence in that book. She was hungry, but recognize my reasons.
Then , I stop going out in service. No way to present people a message like The Truth , when it's at list instable and variable.
After that, I stop going to field service meeting. No reason doing this meeting if not going out in service.
So , the last was the sunday meeting. Very hard to stop going in the hall , at list once a week ..("so , you don't care anymore the brothers ? They want to see you ? They love you , bla bla..") Really , I care most of the brothers , but going in the hall we are not doing a party with nice people, we go there to be indoctrinated. As I said this was hard.
I had a very nice help from CO and PO visiting me in my house.
After long discussion on many subject, the CO told me I had to stop talking to "others".
I ask him if I have to stop also talking to my wife (I was provoking him)
He said , seriuosly, yes you should pay attention talking to you wife. She could be upset from your conversations.
Ok brother, thank you for your suggestion and go away. This was last visit I received from elders and company (I'm still associated)
Then I talk to my wife, and I state I was really sad for what the CO told me, in my house. From now on I'm not goign the meeting anymore. I'm not supporting at all an organization where there's not freedom of talk and thougth.
Never going back to the meeting in the last 8 months , apart the memorial, but it took over one year to get rid of.
So , I would not say stop in one week. But start to stop. You're (as I was) wasting a lot of time.
jehovah's witnesses believe many things that are different then most christian religions.
i remember going door to door and people asking me all kinds of questions regarding my faith, they wanted to know what i believed.
what someone believes is important but what is even more important is why you believe.
Good question . I took my time thinking on "WHY" I believed , time ago.
I realised that I have more than one "BECAUSE", during my time in the JW's.
In my childhood I believed BECAUSE every kid believe the parents.
In my teen age I believed BECAUSE I had not strong personality, and being in the group was cheering me.
In my 20-35 I believed BECAUSE I had no access to any sources to validate as reliable the WTS doctrine.
AoD
