Not to mention that at paragraph 15 there is a blatant lie :
"The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year."
Unless by saying "readily discerned" they mean 20 years later ...
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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014
by notsurewheretogo inthis post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.
these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .
i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.
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Epistemology. I Wonder 2...
by braincleaned inwhat is the value of our knowledge?.
i respect all beliefs for what they are.
but many of us are being treated condescendingly by those who have more certainty than we atheists do.
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I like the questions in this topic. @Braincleaned : I think that we as a JWs have experienced a kind of fideism , and not faith. Fideism is by definition opposition between faith and reason . But our fideism was very unusual because it was based on information , exercise of logic , rhetoric, we had the "knowledge". Why the fuck then, once evident that this " knowledge" was inflated by faulty logic and full of irrational elements , each of us refused to stop immediately being in the org. , is a personal matter, everyone has their own different answer. It seems obvious that we have been deceived, among hundreds of others topics, about the true nature of faith. Not that I have faith , for now. I had some discussion with Catholic friends , also a philosopher . According to Catholic tradition , and Thomist philosophy faith is not contrary to reason . Thomas believed that we come to God rationally, by reason. It's interesting stuff , but difficult . Good for philosophers. Which I'm not . Your other really striking question is how we know what we know ? Being able to answer would be like finding the Philosopher's Stone ... I think there is a step before the knowledge , before the first conscious thought . It's perception. WTS was diabolical in shaping our perceptions . Think for example, when we read the news
and , unconsciously , we put focus on the news that confirmed : "the end is so imminent" From the moment of perception , everything that follows are inferences.
But most of what we can infere is based on what we already know ...So , apparently we're in a loop.
But it is not always the case, because otherwise mankind would not have
made progress and scientific progress would stuck ..... and we would all still JWs
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Any 'Breaking Bad' fans?
by keyser soze ini finally got caught up with it on netflix, and now it's ending.. predictions for sunday night's finale?
i find myself not really caring what happens to walt.
but i'm definitely rooting for something good to happen to jesse, anything at all..
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SBF : Jesse killed Gayle and others so I wonder if he'll end up in jail.
Jessie will end up in asylum.
He's mentally diseased (even if not Apostate ...)
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Any 'Breaking Bad' fans?
by keyser soze ini finally got caught up with it on netflix, and now it's ending.. predictions for sunday night's finale?
i find myself not really caring what happens to walt.
but i'm definitely rooting for something good to happen to jesse, anything at all..
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"I did it ... for myself !" .
how long we'll wait before a new series like BB ?
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People, it really is this simple
by Trevor Scott inwhat will guide us in choosing the right religion?
the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.
a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.
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"The anointed followers of Christ have been extending the invitation since as far back as 1918. In that year, the public talk entitled “Millions Now Living May Never Die”. ( w10 2/15 pp. 15-16 par. 8 )
The Searcher: did you get the quote from paper version or from WTLIB ?
Looking at WTLIB, italian version, it's "Million now living willnever die"*** w10 15/2 pp. 15-16 par. 8 “Lo spirito e la sposa continuano a dire: ‘Vieni!’” ***
8 Gli unti seguaci di Cristo trasmettono questo invito fin dal 1918. In quell’anno il discorso pubblico dal tema “Milioni ora viventi non morranno mai” . -
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due ..
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Why would they mention the 'old light'?
by Captain Blithering ini don't get why they opened the article 'when will these things be' by using old old light not believed since the late 60's?
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seems a bit idiotic to draw attention to past mistakes that are long forgotten in the minds of the r&f, as opposed to stuff that is fairly recent that has warranted 're-examination'.
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They can't state clearly to the ranks : listen, "old light" was not conceived by us, so it's not our fault ...
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what scriptural support is there for commanding children to engage in the door to door work
by soft+gentle ini have just been going over the candace conti case and it struck me that one of the things i'd like to see come out of this case is that jehovahs witnesses stop involving children in the door to door work.
so what would you say to them to make them re-think this issue..
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In old days , I would have said Proverbs 22:6
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No doubt Noah took the lead in family worship...
by tootired2care in"no doubt".
wasn't family worship night invented in 2010?
the writers at bethel really are getting more stupid, this was taken from the latest august 1st watchtower.
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This reminds me another painting where first century disciples preaching house to house with the bags and the rolls ...
such anchronism and stupidity is incredible.
Oh ... by the way Noah didn't use publications in the "family worship" !
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Notes from 2013 Memorial talk: Appreciate What Christ Has Done for You
by WinstonSmith intook one for the team tonight, and went along to the memorial.
my first time in a kingdom hall for just over a month.
it was as expected, dry, boring and extremely uninteresting.
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My last memoral was many uears ago and looking at the Winston's note nothing has changed.
It's all about Jesus sacrifice and deadth.
It's all about stimulate sense of guilt in the audience.
Not a mention of resurrection at all.