Posts by DazedAndConfused

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"Train up a boy according to the way for him... (proof against the Dubs)!

by upside/down in

proverbs 22: 6 says, "train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it.

i heard this scripture cited at a district convention and used to show that if the family heads were indeed training their children properly than this scripture would be proved out- because "god" cannot lie.

also, it was pointed out that this scripture doesn't say "he might not" or "probably won't" turn aside- it says he won't turn aside .

DazedAndConfused

"Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it."

This thread got me thinking. Could it be possible that the way this is worded may back up what child psychologists believe now? Let me explain. In or around the late 70's the thought became popular that parents needed to treat each child differently than the others in terms of how to train them. It was said that one way of reacting/disciplining children may not work for all of them. That what works for one may not work for another. People were encouraged to treat each child as a person, which many forget to do, and find out what works for them. Could this be what was meant in this scripture?

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JWD flyers on cars at KH's

by ko38 in

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what if we all printed up some flyers advertising ..........seek the truth about the truth.go to jw.com for the answers to questions youv'e had or may have.read articles from the watchtower that the society hopes you will never find.. could we legaly put those on their windshields during a meeting?im sure we could do it at least once,and then if asked to leave comply with their wishes.its a well nown fact that out of 100 or 1000 or 100,000 that some will take the bait and check it out just due to human curiousity.. if we all started using the same informal preaching as them such as dropping flyers at laundry mats and phone booths and grociery stores etc you would think it would catch on.i havent counted all the members of this board and how many countries are represented but it sure looks like a lot to me.. what do you guys and gals think?..............ken

DazedAndConfused

I have thought about this for quite a while and I think, personally, that to single out just Jehovah's Witnesses themselves is not going to do it. I think that the people in the organization need to know this information but I also think it is just as important, if not more so, to alert the general public about them. I have thought about magnetic signs for the sides of cars. Think about it. When you are stuck on the road at a stoplight you look around. When you do your eyes go to the signs on the sides of other vehicles. Great advertising!

I think that something short and to the point would be most effective. My suggestion:

Jehovah's Witnesees

In their own words:

http://quotes.watchtower.ca/

You can buy relatively cheap magnetic signs here:

http://www.magneticsigns.com/magfaq.html

They have discounts for bigger orders in case anyone wants to order some and mail them out to others. Just a suggestion.

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Finish This Sentence....You Know you're a JW teenager If....

by doodle-v in

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during class the teacher asks "who all plan to go to college?

" and you shrink down in your seat in an effort to become invisible as everyone in the class raises their hand.

-doodle-v. your turn!

DazedAndConfused

You carry a Bible with you and you are called "the Bible lady" ugh! How embarrassing!!!

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2 year old daughter slips from mothers grip

by freedom96 in

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here in southern california we have been just pummeled with rain.. here is the saddest story that i have heard here.. a lady is driving her vehicle with her 2 year old, and i think a 10 and 14 year old.

along comes a barrier, blocking people from driving through a flooded street.

she decides to go around the barrier, and gets stuck.

DazedAndConfused

I feel bad for the loss this woman has but I believe she should be charged with the death of her child. More than that I feel sorry for the child who was lost and others also effected by this tragedy.

Here where I live we have a law specifically dealing with going around barriers set up to stop motorists from going into flooded areas. It is called the "Stupid Motorist law." This woman made the decision to go around this barrier fully knowing that it was there for a reason. She was stupid enough to make her own decision apparently thinking she knew more than the experts who put up the barrier. Here you are responsible for any adverse consequences that occur from this action. You are responsible for property damage, harm done to others, the cost of rescue and then you get fined or jailed (as in cases that involved a death).

I compare this with a person who makes a decision to drink and then drive. Then went on to break the law further and get a ticket or worse... by bringing harm to others. This person in their "saner" moments chose this action. I have heard of many cases where the defense in a jury has tried to say this person was not responsible for their action because they were impaired. I say they ARE responsible because they were not impaired when they chose the action they took.

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CHRISTMAS DAY FIELD SERVICE

by vitty in

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did you ever go out on the service christmas day.

i always refused to, i mean even sinners deserved a day off from us calling.lol seriously i was too embarressed to.

my husband got "forced" one year and said never again.

DazedAndConfused

I absolutely hated going D2D on holidays. Christmas was especially hard for me. I remember having Christmas and then it being RIPPED from me without my consent. When I went out in service I hated it because I was confronted with what I had at one time and also dealt with people who were having a grand time and all I had was going D2D, which I hated anyway.

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Does the averageJW really believe it is the truth?

by whatistruth in

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i ask this question because the average jw does not show true love though they are commanded to do so.

the average jw often confesses that the meetings are quite boring.

the average jw complains about almost everything within the org.

DazedAndConfused

I believed in it ten-fold...until no one, except one CO, believed that I was being abused. Even at that point it was glossed over and ignored. I think generally people believe it is the truth until the "truth" hits you smack dab in the middle of the forehead. It is so easy to be swayed by the "love" being shown by the ones in your congregation. Many do not realise when they are experiencing that, that it is conditional.

I think that you do believe until something smarks "rational" thinking. I was told years ago by an elder in my congregation that "if you look around you see that we are a group of misfits". This did not hit home t me until I was out. Of course we are a group of misfits...it takes a person who is a "misfit" to fall for the "false sense of security" that the witlesses offer.

I remember one family who was contacted door-to-door. It was amazing! They had a constant stream of people at their door. But...when they got baptised...no one showed up. It was when they were trapped that they realised that they were duped. He eventually went on to become a servant despite their misgivings. I remember distinctly what happened when they left. At the time I was both appalled and held great respect for the man. His last part in the service meeting he addressed the lack of love in the congregation, despite the fact that his "part" had nothing to do with that. Way to go Joe!!!

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DID ANY ELDER DO anything questionable?

by badboy in

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i have read ozziepost's post on those tasmanian elders who raided a sda church.. does anyone know of similiar behaviour by elders?

DazedAndConfused

In one congregation that I was in in upstate NY my ex who was being brought up before the body of elders for questionable business practices (which he did) cornered one of the elders about his practice of carrying 2 sets of books while he worked for the same company. Needless to say my ex did not get into any trouble.

In this same congregation there was an elder who was in his mid-30's who actively pursued a 17 year old female. He lost his position which I agreed he should have. At this time he was also very into internet porn and alcohol. But to my consternation less than 2 years later he is an elder again. From what I hear he has been approached to be a circuit overseer.

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If you have information concerning perp Wade Poyner....

by stillconcerned in

... of woodland, washington, please contact me.. .

your information may be helpful to abuse victims.. kimberlee d. norris.

attorney at law.

DazedAndConfused

You are right, it was his (Wade's) father. Ruth Brecht is my children's grandmother. Their (my children's) father is one of the stepson's. Ken.

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sexual abuse in washington and oregon...

by stillconcerned in

if you have information you are willing to share .

concerning a perpetrator in jw congregations in .

washington state and oregon.

DazedAndConfused

oops, I posted this in the wrong thread. I meant to do it in the thread about Wade Poyner in Woodland, WA.

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sexual abuse in washington and oregon...

by stillconcerned in

if you have information you are willing to share .

concerning a perpetrator in jw congregations in .

washington state and oregon.

DazedAndConfused

This man is an Uncle to my daughters by marraige. I talked to one of my daughters and she said she can try to help but wonders what information is needed.