None that I am aware of.
Posts by DB
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90POLL - Elders vs Molesters
by Amazing ini wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.
unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.
please simply give an answer, without extended comments.
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Supplement to Justice #15 - Parking Lot
by Amazing inhellow everyone: there were a number of responses to justice #15 about the parking lot dfing.
i decided to make a new post to deal with these related but different issues.. first, the purpose of the post was not so much about rushing to judgment, but to show that the process is flawed, and the reflective question at the end shows that i was disturbed as to why we allowed these events to develop the way we do, especially over matters that really are not all that serious.. second, your follow-up comments also bring out some good additional concerns.
i will address those that seem to be of greatest concern.
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DB
Amazing, thanks for the follow-up, and yes, it's a matter of untrained men trying to carry out a system of justice that is, to say the least, very difficult to uphold in a kind, Christian manner.
One note: A seven-day waiting period must elapse before a DF is announced, whether the person indicates a desire to appeal or not. Even if it does appear that they will not, the JC must still wait seven days.
And again, you are to be commended for posting the facts, even if they may have been unflattering to you personally.
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photo of 'the Princess'
by Mulan inthe regulars here may remember that my daughter starting posting here last week, under the name princess.
in chat, people have asked if she is pretty, and i say she is.
she also looks just like me, but thinner, and prettier.
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DB
She's cute, and I wish your family well. Stay together!
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JUSTICE #15 - Parking Lot DFing
by Amazing inparking lot disfellowshipping .
[i have changed the sequence of the justice series.
i will post the other titles later.].
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DB
Amazing, you're really taking some heat on this one, and to a good degree it does look as if procedures were not followed, and I simply could not believe that the announcement was made without allowing a 7 day appeal period.
However, it takes courage to relate an account accurately, even if you look a little bad in the process. So thanks for the post, and it just goes to show that elders do indeed mess up at times.
Problem is, they never apologize for it.
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Using the Watchtower to Ruin Your Children
by metatron inthe circuit overseer spoke from the platform sternly,.
"we seem to have a problem in this circuit with young brothers.
not having any ambition, either in the truth or even in the world".
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DB
Yeah, your kid can't join the school team, etc, or at least it's strongly discouraged and you and your child are looked down on if you allow your kid to join such teams....but it's okay for the Williams sisters, Jerry Hairston of the Balt. Orioles, and Prince to flourish in their high-profile careers.
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Sports Illustrated 6/25/01
by DB insports illustrated, in its june 25, 2001 issue on page 76, reports that jerry hairston of the baltimore orioles had been "baptized as a jehovah's witness" last july.. at times, according to the artcile, hairston's passionate play on the field, charactarized by end-over-flips of his bat after strikeouts and exasperated shrugs during arguments with umpires, gives other players the impression of cockiness on his part.
i'm a passionate person.".
the article mentions that after hairston slammed his bat to the ground after popping out on a roger clemens fastball, he got a long staredown from clemens.
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DB
Hey Tina and Orb, thanks for the comments! One reason I posted this is to show that, like Orbison said, the average JW is looked down upon if he/she partcipates in organized sports, and is strongly discouraged from doing so. And yet, we see the Williams girls playing pro tennis, and now Mr. Hairston playing pro ball and none of them are showing any inclination to give these things up. And we can now add The Artist to the list of JW celebs.
I noted the SI comments on Hairston's playing demeanor merely to show that, since being a JW is supposed to make us 'better fathers, mothers, and children' maybe it ought to make Hairston a more respectful ball player, LOL.
I think that this whole sports/celeb thing may be headed in the same direction as the education situation. I think the Society will one day write an article about organized sports partcipation and change their tune just a bit, in order to appear more mainstream. Then again, maybe not.
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Sports Illustrated 6/25/01
by DB insports illustrated, in its june 25, 2001 issue on page 76, reports that jerry hairston of the baltimore orioles had been "baptized as a jehovah's witness" last july.. at times, according to the artcile, hairston's passionate play on the field, charactarized by end-over-flips of his bat after strikeouts and exasperated shrugs during arguments with umpires, gives other players the impression of cockiness on his part.
i'm a passionate person.".
the article mentions that after hairston slammed his bat to the ground after popping out on a roger clemens fastball, he got a long staredown from clemens.
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DB
Sports Illustrated, in its June 25, 2001 issue on page 76, reports that Jerry Hairston of the Baltimore Orioles had been "baptized as a Jehovah's Witness" last July.
At times, according to the artcile, Hairston's passionate play on the field, charactarized by end-over-flips of his bat after strikeouts and exasperated shrugs during arguments with umpires, gives other players the impression of cockiness on his part. "Sometimes it might come off as something else. What can I say? I'm a passionate person."
The article mentions that after Hairston slammed his bat to the ground after popping out on a Roger Clemens fastball, he got a long staredown from Clemens. Later, Hairston had to get out of the way of a Clemens fastball that buzzed by his head.
"I meant no disrespect to Roger; he was one of my favorite players growing up" said Hairston. "Besides, how many times do other major league players [slam their bats]? Tino Martinez, Paul O'Neil?"
Hairston has excellent defensive range, the article mentions, but he "needs to show more restraint once he gets to the ball, rather than always attempting spectacular throws".
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No More Harboring Private Ideas!
by RationalWitness injust finished reading the august 1, 2001 watchtower.
the second study article is entitled how to make your advancement manifest.
well, after quoting ephesians 4:11-14, heres what paragraphs 8 and 9 advise:first, since oneness is to be observed, a mature christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned.
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DB
Rational, I also read the article and commented on it in another thread. I did find the statements in question rather disturbing. Thanks.
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Batting averages: WTS vs apostle Peter
by Defender inthe society publishes an average of 22,000,000 wt and 19,000,000 number of awake magazines every two weeks.
if we assume that 6,000,000 of each go toward the number of active publishers as their personal copies.
that leaves 16,000,000 issues of wt + 13,000,000 for awake = 29,000,000 that are to be used for disciple making.. multiply 29,000,000 by 26 = 754,000,000 average yearly printing.. divide 754,000,000 by 288,907 (number of baptized in 2000) = 2609. yes, 2609 number of magazines (not counting books, brochures and tracts) must be distributed in order to recruit one new member.. now for the number of hours; .
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DB
Interesting post. In my years of attending Circuit Assemblies, I have noticed that, besides JW kids, hardly anyone gets baptized. At one assembly a few years back, one person got baptized. Normally, the number is about 5 or 6, and again, most are children of JWs, not new disciples.
Now, in my circuit there are about 900 publishers. Let's say that they average about 10 hours per month in field service (the "national average"). That means that over a six-month period (the approximate time between scheduled assemblies), those 900 pubs spent a total of 9,000 hours each month, or 54,000 hours total, in the ministry. And yet, the result of all that time spent speaks for itself.
No wonder many Witnesses are just biding their time in service. Many that I have worked with have hardly read the magazines that the pretend to be so enthused about. Very few really have any inclination to make Return Visits (and no wonder...so few are even home and if so they rarely show any genuine interest). Very few Witnesses really even WANT to start a Bible Study with someone. And, after spending two nights a week, plus Sunday, at meetings, plus studying with their families, plus meeting preparation, plus field service, is it any wonder?
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This Board
by joelbear ini've been thinking a lot about this board and the people here over the past few days.. as most of you know, i got pretty pouty and threw a couple of fits over what i saw as being a wrong direction for the board.
i claimed doom was near, etc.
etc.. i have come to think that this board is very real.
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DB
Hi Joel. I guess that what you are referring to is the condtional love that seems to permeate the JW faith. It is indeed very readily apparent. 'Think like we do, and we will love you. Do as we do, and we will love you'.
Unfortunately, in many human relationships, not just JW relationships, the same thinking is apparent. When people think like we do, we tend to embrace them. If not, we tend to distance ourselves from them. I think that's sad.