Posts by sparky1

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

sparky1

GOVERNING BODY 2.0 meeting: Trying to 'bury' old light and 'dig' up a new date for Armageddon to drive the flock harder.

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GETTING THINGS STRAIGHT. Who invented the "FDS" as a prophetic identification of the GB? WHEN?

by Terry in

15 july 1906 issue of the watch tower russell stated maria russell was the first who in 1894 "called attention to matt.

24:44-45, applying it to me at a meeting at allegheny and in another meeting with the new york church.

i demurred that i had not thought of the passage thus, and declined to make any personal application of it, although i could not deny the force of the argument....i urged great moderation in the making of any personal application" (p. r3811).

sparky1

Just to bolster Terrys argument and to add credence to what he is saying about the ORGANIZATION:

"This work, which has covered a period of about forty-five years, has never had for its purpose the forming of any arrangement by which Christians join anything."-THE HARP OF GOD 1921 edition page 240 paragraph 422

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GETTING THINGS STRAIGHT. Who invented the "FDS" as a prophetic identification of the GB? WHEN?

by Terry in

15 july 1906 issue of the watch tower russell stated maria russell was the first who in 1894 "called attention to matt.

24:44-45, applying it to me at a meeting at allegheny and in another meeting with the new york church.

i demurred that i had not thought of the passage thus, and declined to make any personal application of it, although i could not deny the force of the argument....i urged great moderation in the making of any personal application" (p. r3811).

sparky1

Here is a different quote for you with the same information, ScenicViewer:

"Without a doubt Pastor Russell filled the office for which the Lord provided and about which he spoke and was therefore that wise and faithful servant, ministering to the household of faith meat in due season."- THE HARP OF GOD 1921 edition page 239 paragraph 420

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Nephew going to bethel - seeking seed planting ideas

by azor in

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i have posted a handful of times so far.

i am seeking some ideas to plant some seeds with my nephew before he goes to patterson.. a little about me and the going away party where i will have an opportunity to plant these seeds.

i have a little freedom since i am the only relative that he is in communication with that spent some time at bethel.

sparky1

Being an ex-Bethelite myself, I have to agree that you probably can't say anything to him right now. He is still in his 'honeymoon' stage and it will take some time for him to wake up. My advice would be to take him aside and tell him that if he ever needed anyone to talk to you will give him a listening ear without judgement at any time under any circumstances. That way, if he wakes up while at Bethel, he will have a loving family member that will accept him without reservation.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

sparky1

"Wildly speculating"..................................thats putting it mildly!

You're welcome JWdaughter................glad to help on the exposing of the 2 year fiction.

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Why JW marriage is a huge problem for the organization.

by kneehighmiah in

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the difficulty of finding a marriage mate is well known for sisters.

but i would say it's hard for brothers also.

i was talking to a jw last night.

sparky1

There is nothing SHALLOW about looking for an attractive mate. What I find shallow is kneehighmiahs using his own SUBJECTIVE standard of beauty and attractiveness in order to judge the female Witnesses that he has come across in his lifetime and crying and complaining that none of them meet his standard of beauty. It smacks of blaming the victim! There are nearly 8 million Witnesses worldwide. Surely some sister somewhere on the planet could meet his expectation of physical beauty. I only hope that if he meets her she finds him just as attractive. Otherwise he will be $hit out of luck.

kneehighmiah is asking himself the WRONG question. He should not be asking 'why are there no attractive, available women in the Jehovahs Witness religion?'. He should be asking himself, WHY IS IT THAT I CANNOT FIND SOMEONE THAT I FIND PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE AMONG WOMEN IN THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS RELIGION?.

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Why JW marriage is a huge problem for the organization.

by kneehighmiah in

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friends

the difficulty of finding a marriage mate is well known for sisters.

but i would say it's hard for brothers also.

i was talking to a jw last night.

sparky1

Rattigan350 ..........please read all my posts on this subject before you comment on my original one. Thank you.

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After all, JWs were RIGHT!

by abiather in

1) science and technology appeared as a savior to mankind, yet the overall result points to the opposite direction.. http://aeon.co/magazine/science/why-has-human-progress-ground-to-a-halt/.

2) john kerry warns of catastrophe if climate change is not tackled.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article4295230.ece (times, saturday 13, 2014).

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ALL OTHER TEACHINGS HAVE ONLY SECONDARY AND SUPPORTIVE ROLE, HENCE CHANGE IN THEM WOULD NOT MATTER.

If you really believe that , then Jehovahs Witnesses had only ONE really good idea. Gods Kingdom as the only hope for mankind.

The rest is lies, conjecture, bullshit, personal opinion, fantasy, foolishness, speculation, tom-foolery, and out and out stupidity. And if that is the case then all those secondary teachings DETRACT from rather than give support to the idea of Gods Kingom.