No, prove it to me WITHOUT using any of the Societies literature." He said, "Ok." After about 5 hours, and after much study of the scriptures themselves, comparing it with the Kings lists, 586/587 was the match, NOT 607! He could not believe it!
I wish I had the guts to tell my family to do this. And I wish they would have the guts to not use the societies literature to prove their point.