My mother was dragged in the back on many occasions for her mouth. I learned to hold it in for the most part, but from time to time my Irish was raised and I said something. My grandmother was of the old school and she towed the line, unless she thought it was something that really needed to be raised, but she would often go to my gramps and have him address the issue. You know the saying behind every good man is a great woman. Well in her case, it was very true.
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Did you as a woman buy into and follow the subjection crap?
by restrangled inmy grandmother didn't, my mother didn't and neither did i. so how does this continue in this advanced day and age?.
why would any woman put up with it?.
i saw the results of women getting beat attending the hall.
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Ex-JW New Year's Party Last Night - Good Therapy
by Seeker4 ina few times a year lori and i get together with some friends, most of whom are ex-jws.
four or five are faders, one is daed for voting and i'm now dfed.
(they loved that there was ex-jw terminology!
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Happy New Years to all.
We don't do it for NY but we generally do it for thanxgiving. We generally have more time together because it is ALWAYS a 4 day week-end as opposed to the x-mas or NYs days we may get off (can be anywhere from 1 or 2). It is always fun. There is one DF'd person, 6 faders, one DA'd person who would be considered by all JW measures an apostate, an active JW (she is very open minded and is not your typical JW because she is married to the DA'd guy and has no issue w/ him or any of us ... her belief, live and let live) and one or two non-jws. This group consists of people I grew up w/, so we all know each other from birth. Many are 3rd or 4th gen JWs, so it is always great to hear the stories from way back and currently. We spend the whole time at my GF's house, crashing on the couch, roll out beds and just eating, drinking and yes being merry!
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What do women REALLY want?
by Abandoned inok, i've heard it all: sincerity, honesty, security, money, love, romance, flowers, poems, promises, and more.
but, in my arguably limited experience, i've been shot down while doing all of these (at differnt times obviously).
so, what do women really want?
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They want the impossible, they want you to walk on water, then commit suicide while shouting their name, and while they're standing on your grave asking 'what else can you do for me?', they want you to rise from the dead.
Do not trust them.
Yikes puking pumpkin!!! Let me state as a chick that is not what I want. There was a guy who was obsessed w/ me and he claimed that he was going to kill himself and I promptly called 311 for a wellness check but also his parents at which point I told them to get him help because I was changing my number and would never be speaking to any of them again.
How about starting w/ something simple, just be nice and go from there!
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Nosferatu's School of Dating - Lesson 1.1 - Rejection
by Nosferatu init took a little time to figure out what to write about for my very first tip.
i thought to myself, "well, what makes dating work?
kino?
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Noz - although I do not wholly disagree w/ what you have posted, here is my experience in the woman who is not married and dates men area.
I have dated men and broke up w/ them and able to maintain a friendship with them. So it is possible as long a people understand boundaries. I have never said to a guy who wants to date me, let's just be friends. What I have said is "no". But I come from the school of honest, not pansy.
I have heard men say that it is intimidating going up to a chick when she is with her friends and asking her out. Which I would say, I can see how that would be the case. But in some cases, when a group of women are out with their GF, they want it JUST to be their GFs and no one else. So we can be a little put off when a guy comes up and breaks the flow. I cannot say how one can tell if a chick is wanting to be hit on or wants to be with her peeps. My suggestion would be to 1) avoid drinking so much rum that the "rum courage" causes a fuzzy vision and thus a lack of insight as to the situation 2) have the confidence that you are all that and a bag a chips! confidence goes a long way (p.s. don't confuse confidence w/ cockiness).
And as for women and shiny objects .... hmmm, I wish I could say for a certainty that was not true, but I have a couple of GFs who are like that. However, olive oil only makes me thing of slicked back hair and lots of gold chains and sorry but that is so not a good look.
Let me assure you, I am like all others here, I have been the dumpee and the dumper. Either way it sucks.
Have a great new years GUYS!
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What do women REALLY want?
by Abandoned inok, i've heard it all: sincerity, honesty, security, money, love, romance, flowers, poems, promises, and more.
but, in my arguably limited experience, i've been shot down while doing all of these (at differnt times obviously).
so, what do women really want?
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Well every woman is different, like every man is different.
For me, here is my list: I hate flowers; I like poems but only after I have gotten to know the guy and he is not writing all the time because he is frightened to tell me how he feels because one on one communication is important; someone who is caring; someone who is not selfish; someone who can have a convo about a variety of subjects; someone who is not a hot head; someone who is social; someone who is funny but does not need to be the center of attention; no one who is needy or clingy; someone who believes in taking it slow .... I am not speaking of sex but rather the guy that goes on three dates with ya and then says you are the most amazing women he has ever met and he wants to marry you because that will run me off in a second; a guy who works crazy hours but when it is time to let loose he can do so; someone who can hold their own in a social setting; someone who can handle a strong woman and not feel threatened or become a wimp but also not try to dominate me;
I am sure I have left something out. But that is my list.
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What would you do in my situation?
by helncon inhi, im new here but have been looking at lots of web sites for exjw's and i can't seem to get any answer in what im looking for.. i have a bit of a delemia i am df and my dad (jw) is getting remarried to a jw in march and i am wanting to go but the thing is i haven't been to a kh for a very long time and where they are getting married is the one that i grew up in and for this not sure where i am to sit.
do i have the right to sit in the front row or do i have to treat it like a normal meeting?.
can anyone shed any light on this?.
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Welcome! First let me say, I agree w/ everything everyone else has previously said.
But I get the impression you want to know how this will be handled w/i the KH. My impression is that you do not wish to make it your day, but would rather allow your family member to proceed with their wedding without the JW drama. If that is the case, that is very loving on your part, because JWs will not be so loving towards you and you should be prepared for the cold shoulder and shunning process that will take place.
In some cases, family members who are JWs who have DF'd/DA'd family members have excluded them from the wedding/reception. Be prepared. Should the elders not give your father grief over his inviting you, and you went to the KH for the wedding, then I believe most JWs would see it as disrespectful for you to sit up front. Keep in mind the keeping to the back of the hall thing is a show of respect and humility (of course BS, but whatever) and that is why the procedure is followed by many.
Again, I agree with what was said previously, you can sit where ever you want. But again, if you are trying to be respectful of your father, you may want to ask your father what he would feel comfortable with what you do.
Either way, good luck to you and whatever you decide to do.
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"I wanted to throw the book across the room"
by GetBusyLiving ini just read the topic "i thought i was alone" by newbie elinor.
i found it interesting how he mentioned that he wanted to throw the daniel book "across the room" after reading some of the many misapplied prophecies concocted by the overlord's in brooklyn.
when i was a jw i also fantasized at times of throwing the book across the room, but for me it was the revelation book over ten years ago.
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No but I did often picture myself standing up in the middle of another local needs talk about something mind bendingly stupid and screaming SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! The PO in my old hall was a hard nose and he wrote "local needs" talks all the time. It was more like his own thoughts on how kids were evil and women were evil and everyone but his precious son was evil. All that good stuff. I am sure had I done that, the electric cow prod would have been used on me to keep me in line.
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Insight please.
by looking_glass inso i have a really good friend who moved to ca a couple of years ago.
over the last several years i have always gone out to her and her family in ca.
when she and her family come into town, i get the great pleasure of hanging out with her and her in-laws, because they are trying to get everyone's visit in one.
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Kate - actually the post was very confusing, I do it to cover my tracks and appear to be more of a victim then I am.
I agree Kate, doing something that is not sincere is pointless. I am just trying to figure out how to compromise in this sit. Considering my options are limited because I want to spend time w/ my GF, but she can only do it w/ the rest of her in-laws present, which includes her father-in-law.
Funny, my uber JW mom does not insist upon discussing the religion as much as this guy. Why??? What is the issue here???
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Insight please.
by looking_glass inso i have a really good friend who moved to ca a couple of years ago.
over the last several years i have always gone out to her and her family in ca.
when she and her family come into town, i get the great pleasure of hanging out with her and her in-laws, because they are trying to get everyone's visit in one.
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G, I wish I were that laid back. So that I could take it in stride.
My pro is that I hate being the center of attention when it comes to this crap and he seems to always want to discuss the religion w/ me when there are tons of people around. I suppose if I were to limit him on his time (you have 5 mins - go and the clock is ticking) then I would be fine. But he does not, he pulls out all his stuff and starts talking about Bible stuff.
I feel that my time is limited w/ my GF as it is and then to be cornered by her father-in-law for an hour as he preaches to me, sets me off.
My biggest issue is that I feel like I have made a lot of concessions w/ her father-in-law and so I don't feel it is petty for me to get upset and want to tell him to stop preaching to me. Though I do think I will take your suggestion and tell her that I will give him so much time to puff up his chest and tell me how he is right and everything I have ever read in my life has been a waste, unlike him of course, and then after that I am heading out the door for a smoke (even though I don't smoke).
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Insight please.
by looking_glass inso i have a really good friend who moved to ca a couple of years ago.
over the last several years i have always gone out to her and her family in ca.
when she and her family come into town, i get the great pleasure of hanging out with her and her in-laws, because they are trying to get everyone's visit in one.
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So I have a really good friend who moved to CA a couple of years ago. Over the last several years I have always gone out to her and her family in CA. When she and her family come into town, I get the great pleasure of hanging out with her and her in-laws, because they are trying to get everyone's visit in one. The problem is that when she is here, she is never willing to hang out together other than as a group. Although I like (for the most part) her in-laws, her father-in-law is a Rabbi and he is always trying to "teach" me something about JWs and their beliefs. I find this highly insulting and boring. Being a 3rd Gen JW I know all about the crap. Last time I was there, he was explaining to me why "jehovah" is not really god's name. I DON'T CARE! But being polite, I have held my tongue until last time I was there and I lost my temper and finally said something to the guy. I have since been invited out to the in-laws house on several occasions and have backed out every time. Well I am getting heavy pressure to do it again. I finally mentioned to my GF my general unhappiness with her father-in-law and the fact that I really don't get to hang out with her and her husband/kids, but rather her in-laws, the cousins, the aunts and uncles. But she seems to think that I am being petty about her father-in-law's need to bring up religion because she said it is who he is and she feels that she cannot spend time one-on-one with me because they only come into town 2 or 3 times a year, so they have to see her husband's family while here. Granted I feel since I go out to her 3 or 4 times a year (and once again, do not have one-on-one time with her because it is constant goings to kids' events), the least she can do is do a lunch or dinner with just me or a GF or two that still live here while she is in town.
What say you? I would like some outside opinions because I would like to see what others have to say. Those who have no vest interested or emotional attachment. I need a little perspective. Insight please?