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  Looking for quote from WT...please help

  by mavie in

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  i was having a discussion with family about leaving the jw's recently.

  we were talking about the us verses them mentality one develops as part of the religion.

  i tried to bolster my case by saying that only jw's will survive armageddon.

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  Thanks Elsewhere and Blondie. Mission accomplished.

  I copied this info from the WT CD and emailed it to family. One response already in...

  "Well, the new brochure says you don't have to be a JW." !!!! ??? !!!!

  WTF??? (bangs head against wall)
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  Looking for quote from WT...please help

  by mavie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was having a discussion with family about leaving the jw's recently.

  we were talking about the us verses them mentality one develops as part of the religion.

  i tried to bolster my case by saying that only jw's will survive armageddon.

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  I was having a discussion with family about leaving the JW's recently. We were talking about the us verses them mentality one develops as part of the religion. I tried to bolster my case by saying that only JW's will survive armageddon. My family said the Bible doesn't teach that, to which I replied 'well, the WT does.'

  I did a search on the WT CD and couldn't find anyplace they explicitly say 'only jehovah's witnesses will survive armageddon'. Now, I know this is implied all over the literature, but has anyone ever come across a piece of lit where they get bold and say that?
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  Did the OT writer foretell the virgin birth of Jesus?

  by mavie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this subject caught my attention after reading a passage in sam harris' book "the end of faith".

  "as many authors have observed, the numerous strands of hebrew prophecy that were made to coincide with jesus' ministry betray the aploogetics, and often poor scholarship, of the gospel writers.

  the writers of luke and matthew, for instance, in seeking to make the life of jesus conform to old testament prophecy, insist that mary conceived as a virgin (greek parthenos), harking to the greek rendering of isaiah 7:14. unfortunately for fanciers of mary's virginity, the hebrew word alma (for which parthenos is an erroneous translation) simply means "young woman," without any implication of viginity.

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  This subject caught my attention after reading a passage in Sam Harris' book "The End of Faith".

  "As many authors have observed, the numerous strands of Hebrew prophecy that were made to coincide with Jesus' ministry betray the aploogetics, and often poor scholarship, of the gospel writers.

  The writers of Luke and Matthew, for instance, in seeking to make the life of Jesus conform to Old Testament prophecy, insist that Mary conceived as a virgin (Greek parthenos), harking to the Greek rendering of Isaiah 7:14. Unfortunately for fanciers of Mary's virginity, the Hebrew word alma (for which parthenos is an erroneous translation) simply means "young woman," without any implication of viginity. It seems all but certain that the Christian dogma of the virgin birth, and much of the church's resulting anxiety about sex, was the result of a mistranslation from the Hebrew." ¹

  What does the WT have to say about this?

  Messianic Prophecy.
  Although the Hebrew word bethu?lah' means “virgin,” another term (?al?mah') appears at Isaiah 7:14: “Look! The maiden [ha??al?mah'] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel.” The word ?al?mah' means “maiden” and can apply to a nonvirgin or a virgin. It is applied to “the maiden” Rebekah before marriage when she was also called “a virgin” (bethu?lah'). (Ge 24:16, 43) Under divine inspiration, Matthew employed the Greek word par?the'nos (virgin) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 found final fulfillment in connection with the virgin birth of Jesus, the Messiah. Both Matthew and Luke state clearly that Jesus’ mother Mary was then a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s holy spirit.—Mt 1:18-25; Lu 1:26-35. ²

  Note that the WT uses NT examples, who would be trying to legitimize Jesus as the Messiah, and implied that al-mah should mean virgin in the case of Mary because another writer in the OT used it that way. Does that make sense?

  ¹ "The End of Faith". Sam Harris. pg 94-95.
  ² "Virgin". Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, page 1158.
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  OMG look at this site I can see how the WT works now this is so true!!!!!!!

  by nelly1 in

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  http://www.howcultswork.com.

  read this guys doesnt this sound soooo familiar to us whom have left the organisation????

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  great essay..bookmarked and printed.
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  WELCOME MY AWESOME FRIEND BODHISATTVA!!!!!

  by Good Girl or Bad Girl? in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/member/24752.ashx.

  this is one cool (and hot) chick, y'all.

  give her a warm welcome.. luv ya, boddhi, xxoo, gg/bg.

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  Welcome Bodhisattva, come on over to Thom's for fun and fluff if you haven't already.
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  Public Talk Outlines Online?

  by mavie in

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  can they be found online?

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  Can they be found online?
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  no chess?

  by DannyBloem in

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  no chess?

  i once had a demonstration on a circuit assembly about not going to parties with worldly people (yeck when i think of it, i basically told all: he dont have fun or jehovah is going to kill you)'.

  anyway the demonstration ended that it was better to do nice recreation things.

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  The Claw.( 0f the Sicilian defense crowd )

  (of the dragon variation crowd)
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  September Special Issue Awake - Creation

  by mavie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you can download the issue here thanks to dan-p. .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/117876/1.ashx.

  i was reading this at home and had to stop when i came across this sentence on page 3:.

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  I still read them occasionally because my wife is still in and I am fading. This topic intrigued me.
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  September Special Issue Awake - Creation

  by mavie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you can download the issue here thanks to dan-p. .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/117876/1.ashx.

  i was reading this at home and had to stop when i came across this sentence on page 3:.

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  You can download the issue here thanks to Dan-p
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/117876/1.ashx
  
  I was reading this at home and had to stop when I came across this sentence on page 3:
  
  "You can let others tell you what you are allowed to think and believe. Or you may wish to investigate some of the evidence yourself and reach your own conclusion."
  
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  I had to stop reading the magazine at that point and put it down before continuing. I actually laughed out loud when I read that as my eyes have been opened to what they are really saying...as shown in the next sentence.
  
  "As you read about discoveries of science presented on the following pages..."
  
  In other words, please restrict your investigation to our literature.
  
  Thoughts?
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  College -- Online vs. Classroom

  by Jourles in

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  has anyone out there taken online classes only to obtain a degree?

  i finally bit the bullet and will be returning to school in september.

  i went to a community college many years ago, but never finished what i started.

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  I am doing the online thing right now. LOVE IT. I get my work done so much quicker. You have to have discipline though.