Posts by mavie

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Why Do Inactive Ones Sometimes Go Back To The Organization?

by minimus in

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mavie

For me, the only thing keeping me in right now is family. I suspect that many inactive ones return for family.

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Baptism - To Whom?

by mavie in

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thanks to drew for originally posting this in one of sagan's threads.

in light of the questions for baptism, specifically question 2:.

(1) on the basis of the sacrifice of jesus christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to jehovah to do his will?

mavie

Thanks Mavie-baby good point, I brought up this one with my mum (cant paste the link just go to my topics) Thats great stuff its the cherry on top of my previous convo, the KO. ahh you know they pass it off as apostate

How can this be apostate? It is straight from JW literature!

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Baptism - To Whom?

by mavie in

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thanks to drew for originally posting this in one of sagan's threads.

in light of the questions for baptism, specifically question 2:.

(1) on the basis of the sacrifice of jesus christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to jehovah to do his will?

mavie

Thanks to Drew for originally posting this in one of Sagan's threads.

In light of the questions for baptism, specifically question 2:

(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism.

Now, consider the 'Bible Teach' book...

"What Does The Bible Really Teach?" At the back, on page 184 it says this:

However, baptism is not a mere bath. It is a symbol of something very important. Going beneath the water symbolizes that you have died to your former life course. Being raised up out of the water indicates that you are now alive to do the will of God. Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him.

How do they get out of this?

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CO Meeting w/Elders ("Lazy elders", Tattoos, Auto accidents)

by doinmypart in

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a few points from the 2006 biannual c.o.

meeting w/elders & ms. the theme was "take a personal interest in others"...phil 2:4,5. shepherding work.

we have lives in our hands.

mavie

can any other servants or elders confirm this crap?

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CO Meeting w/Elders ("Lazy elders", Tattoos, Auto accidents)

by doinmypart in

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a few points from the 2006 biannual c.o.

meeting w/elders & ms. the theme was "take a personal interest in others"...phil 2:4,5. shepherding work.

we have lives in our hands.

mavie

<rant>

i can't believe this. i'm speechless.

field service being a personal matter?

ROTFLMFAO!

</rant>

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Combatting Mind Control by Steve Hassan - with WT References

by ithinkisee in

(4) emotional control.

behavior control

emotional control

mavie

Thanks blondie,

While I don't doubt that the WTBTS wants people to change their religion, I was looking for an instance where JW's are instructed to intentionally deceive the public by telling them they are not talking with them to change their religion.

On a side note, I love your weekly WT study lessons. Thank you so much for taking the time to review them.

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Combatting Mind Control by Steve Hassan - with WT References

by ithinkisee in

(4) emotional control.

behavior control

emotional control

mavie

Great job ithinkisee. I just finished reading Hassan's book as well, reading your paper helped me understand JW cultic tendencies.

In the spirit of making this as accurate as possible, with the idea that a current JW could read this information. I was wondering if the following should be included:

Deception is the basic feature of all group recruitment. It is also what keeps people inside cults.
Conversation Stopper: “We’re not here to change your religion.”

I checked the Reasoning Book, (searched the WT Library CD) and couldn't find any instance where JW's are instructed to say this. While some may say this at the door anyways, I couldn't find any instance where the WTBTS instructs members to deceive in this way.

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JWD maps - Where are you?

by Lady Lee in

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due to a problem with the server i was using for the maps i have had to move them so we can still have access to them and post them here.

so if you were wondering where we are from.

or how close you are to other jwd posters in your area just take a look.. ballistic has done an amazing job with the map of the uk you can find it at .

mavie

LadyLee,

check out this post

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/116809/1.ashx

Instead of using Google Earth, Google Maps was used. This is a really easy way to maintain the list.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-16-06 WT Study (Choose Life)

by blondie in

`choose life to keep alive'.

christian--once.

israel chose to obey...willingly gave...their exclusive devotion.

mavie

Jehovah has the ability to know in advance what will happen, he does not predetermine our individual actions and destiny.
I wonder if Esau would think that?
(Genesis 25:23) And Jehovah proceeded to say to her: "Two nations are in your belly, and two national groups will be separated from your inward parts; and the one national group will be stronger than the other national group, and the older will serve the younger."

Or Samson?
(Judges 13:5) For, look! you will be pregnant, and you will certainly give birth to a son, and no razor should come upon his head, because a Naz´i·rite of God is what the child will become on leaving the belly; and he it is who will take the lead in saving Israel out of the hand of the Phi·lis´tines."

Or Cyrus?
(Isaiah 44:28-45:1) 28 the One saying of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd, and all that I delight in he will completely carry out'; even in [my] saying of Jerusalem, 'She will be rebuilt,' and of the temple, 'You will have your foundation laid.'" 45 This is what Jehovah has said to his anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of, to subdue before him nations, so that I may ungird even the hips of kings; to open before him the two-leaved doors, so that even the gates will not be shut:

Love it, love it, love it! Thank you Blondie.

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Couple of JW Sisters came to my door - mini rumble

by Qcmbr in

first of all want to thank you all for informing me of the good the bad and smurfly about jws - i was so stoked when these two sister's knocked on my door.

i apologise now - i was a smug git - in fairness they conducted themselves impeccably in the face of me.

this is how it went (paraphrased to highlight 'clever' bits i said and downplay swathes of conversation when i said silly things.

mavie

Whenever I ran into someone like you I just told them "I have to do this or they will disfellowship me, my wife will leave me and my children will never speak with me again".

LOL!

I did that at least once with Elder/Pioneer D. right next to me but he didn't understand as he was still learning the language. Kept the same stupid grin on his face even after I explained to the homeowner that he (the Elder) was my retarded older brother.

ROFL!

Some people just don't want to wake up/can't wake up or think for themselves. I suspect there are many who would not leave the JW's if presented with a 'smoking gun'.