Posts by mavie

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-22-06 WT Study (TONGUE)

by blondie in

"let each one of you individually so love his wife as he does himself; on the other hand, the wife should have deep respect for her husband.

1) suppose you received a gift-wrapped package with a label that read: "handle with care.

handle with care.

mavie

Blondie, I look forward to your comments every week. I noticed you posted them on another board as well. Glad to see you branching out!

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i'm not a super popular or well known poster here but just wanted to say "bye" to ya'll and thanks for another year of growth and learning and especially thanks to all you that make me laugh out loud at my computer!

i will be out in the mountains all summer doin' research and contributing to humanity's understanding of glacial retreat... aka messin' around in the mountains and trying to get in trouble with hot burly mountain dudes... .

see you in the fall!

mavie

Kudra,

I noticed you are back. Tell us about the summer research!

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This week's KM guilt-fest

by StillGroggy in

for anybody who attended the service meeting this week (or will this week)

notice the guilt-fest article that mentions not working overtime at work or taking weekend trips and missing the meetings.

ugh, any former witnesses remember looking down on people who went to the beach or took trips frequently on the weekends.

mavie

scan? the usual sites seem to be down.

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Blood issue, I finally got it

by OnTheWayOut in

the jw doctrine of "no blood" has never affected me, personally.

i knew that either.

jehovah's witnesses were wrong or the rest of the world was wrong.

mavie

great research, i need to let this settle for a bit.

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Looking for quote from WT...please help

by mavie in

i was having a discussion with family about leaving the jw's recently.

we were talking about the us verses them mentality one develops as part of the religion.

i tried to bolster my case by saying that only jw's will survive armageddon.

mavie

Thanks Elsewhere and Blondie. Mission accomplished.

I copied this info from the WT CD and emailed it to family. One response already in...

"Well, the new brochure says you don't have to be a JW." !!!! ??? !!!!

WTF??? (bangs head against wall)

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Looking for quote from WT...please help

by mavie in

i was having a discussion with family about leaving the jw's recently.

we were talking about the us verses them mentality one develops as part of the religion.

i tried to bolster my case by saying that only jw's will survive armageddon.

mavie

I was having a discussion with family about leaving the JW's recently. We were talking about the us verses them mentality one develops as part of the religion. I tried to bolster my case by saying that only JW's will survive armageddon. My family said the Bible doesn't teach that, to which I replied 'well, the WT does.'

I did a search on the WT CD and couldn't find anyplace they explicitly say 'only jehovah's witnesses will survive armageddon'. Now, I know this is implied all over the literature, but has anyone ever come across a piece of lit where they get bold and say that?

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Did the OT writer foretell the virgin birth of Jesus?

by mavie in

this subject caught my attention after reading a passage in sam harris' book "the end of faith".

"as many authors have observed, the numerous strands of hebrew prophecy that were made to coincide with jesus' ministry betray the aploogetics, and often poor scholarship, of the gospel writers.

the writers of luke and matthew, for instance, in seeking to make the life of jesus conform to old testament prophecy, insist that mary conceived as a virgin (greek parthenos), harking to the greek rendering of isaiah 7:14. unfortunately for fanciers of mary's virginity, the hebrew word alma (for which parthenos is an erroneous translation) simply means "young woman," without any implication of viginity.

mavie

This subject caught my attention after reading a passage in Sam Harris' book "The End of Faith".

"As many authors have observed, the numerous strands of Hebrew prophecy that were made to coincide with Jesus' ministry betray the aploogetics, and often poor scholarship, of the gospel writers.

The writers of Luke and Matthew, for instance, in seeking to make the life of Jesus conform to Old Testament prophecy, insist that Mary conceived as a virgin (Greek parthenos), harking to the Greek rendering of Isaiah 7:14. Unfortunately for fanciers of Mary's virginity, the Hebrew word alma (for which parthenos is an erroneous translation) simply means "young woman," without any implication of viginity. It seems all but certain that the Christian dogma of the virgin birth, and much of the church's resulting anxiety about sex, was the result of a mistranslation from the Hebrew." ¹

What does the WT have to say about this?

Messianic Prophecy.
Although the Hebrew word bethu?lah' means “virgin,” another term (?al?mah') appears at Isaiah 7:14: “Look! The maiden [ha??al?mah'] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel.” The word ?al?mah' means “maiden” and can apply to a nonvirgin or a virgin. It is applied to “the maiden” Rebekah before marriage when she was also called “a virgin” (bethu?lah'). (Ge 24:16, 43) Under divine inspiration, Matthew employed the Greek word par?the'nos (virgin) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 found final fulfillment in connection with the virgin birth of Jesus, the Messiah. Both Matthew and Luke state clearly that Jesus’ mother Mary was then a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s holy spirit.—Mt 1:18-25; Lu 1:26-35. ²

Note that the WT uses NT examples, who would be trying to legitimize Jesus as the Messiah, and implied that al-mah should mean virgin in the case of Mary because another writer in the OT used it that way. Does that make sense?

¹ "The End of Faith". Sam Harris. pg 94-95.
² "Virgin". Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, page 1158.

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